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Spatial awareness and memory recall
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[David Lawrence] “That’s assuming the workflow is a work around. What if for spatial thinkers it’s not? What if for spatial thinkers, it’s an essential memory building and associating method?”
I’m not sure if we’ll ever know whether or not what we’re labeling “spacial thinkers” is as useful a construct as some here appear to believe.
Once upon a time, moving the horse drawn cart from a straight line to the track on the right meant you had to pull inwardly on a tethered rein leading to the horses right bit. Then the steering wheel came along and moving ones new conveyance to the right meant you had to rotate a wheel clockwise.
These are two totally different muscle memories and concepts – one disconnected from reality in a profound way (move something around to make a lateral motion change???) – yet people didn’t have much problem at all adapting to the new concept.
All I’m saying is that I find editors as a class to be quite intelligent, adaptable, and flexible. That’s not to say they don’t have preferences and comfort zones, they most certainly do. But they’re also quite facile about moving outside that comfort zone if there’s benefit to be had.
They might THINK that the best way to conceive of spacial relationships is to work in the way that’s comfortable to them right now.
But have you noticed how many good solid editors who’ve given X a fair shake have come away satisfied, even enthused?
But I agree there are interesting points being made.
And that’s good enough for me.
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Who invited the Grinch to the party. Such a good thread with differing opinions playing nicely together and expanding everyone’s thoughts/beliefs/understanding then jack boot Dave stomps in and missing the point witters on about X being Jesus Christ’s come back album.
Honestly you’re worse than YourHavingALaugh on the guardian comments section.
Such a tiresome soul.
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[Bill Davis] “‘m not sure if we’ll ever know whether or not what we’re labeling “spacial thinkers” is as useful a construct as some here appear to believe.
“Sigh. PERIOD.
Nah. It just doesn’t feel good when I do it. Maybe its a “list,” thing, though I’m not sure we’ll ever know. (Smiley icon goes here)
Lighten up. We’re not trying to define a new mental health category for the DSM VI. We’re talking about how people like to work and how they feel most comfortable doing it.
Should you want to delve into it, however, you might try Howard Gardner’s Frames of Mind: The Theory of Multiple Intelligences Of particular interest to this conversation would probably be the chapters on spatial intelligence and a mode of thinking that he identifies as bodily-kinesthetic. I’ve only read some of the abstracts and synopses; I think I’ll put this book on my reading list.
You also might take a look at this article from Psychologists Newcombe and Frik, Early Education for spatial intelligence: Why, What and How:
https://www.temple.edu/psychology/newcombe/documents/early_ed_for_spatial.pdf
if you want to go further it’s got a great list of references.
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Man, I too have been on both sides of the creative bin name issue. Over the years I’ve gotten much better, but if I’m in a rush on project I’m soloing, it can still get out there. “Thursday’s stuff,” just doesn’t play well six month’s down the line.
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[Julian Bowman] “Can I vote he just buggers off and doesn’t come back? Is that an option? Please let it be an option. I’d pay extra for it. Damn I’d pay a subscription to this forum if the pay wall kept him out.”
Now now, we’re all friends here. Let’s play nice… 🙂
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Also, check out these desks. I want Al Gore’s screens.
https://www.complex.com/tech/2012/06/famous-tech-ceo-desks#1
https://flavorwire.com/151458/desks-of-the-rich-and-famous-workspaces-of-highly-creative-people
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[Bill Davis] “But I’d question why, in the X workflow, this is desirable? That “selects reel” laid out as a horizontal visual process can be mostly done in the Event Browser via a simple keyword collection. “
You are correct, but it’s simply a working preference that many editors have. If an NLE is versatile, it should accommodate such preferences in style. I think X does, and have explained how in another post.
[Bill Davis] “The difference is that in Legacy, you can’t really DO anything to the laid out clips aside from the most rudimentary of arrangement and perhaps limited color taggins, where in X, you can sub-range, and retag things infinately.”
Sure you can. You are hung up on the tagging and not seeing past it. If I string out a set of clips I can now edit from them (overwrite/insert with sequence content) or copy & paste from one sequence to another. And you can search within the “legacy” sequence timeline. All editing is about pouring a ton of content through a funnel. This is simply one type of funnel and tagging is another.
[Bill Davis] “Just because that workflow was required as a work-around for poor source organizational tools in Legacy “
Not a workaround, but a preference.
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[Bill Davis] “What part of X does anyone here see as lacking “spacial awareness and memory recall” capabilities?”
You cannot open two or more bins (collections) as floating windows and place them over each other or side-by-side and compare clips within, or drag clips from one to the other. Yes, I know collections sort of do this same function, but the first method is visual, the second isn’t.
The second difference between X and others is that you can’t re-arrange clips in any other order than alphanumeric ascending/descending sorts of some field. In Media Composer for example, you can set a bin to the Frames view and re-arrange shots like a virtual story board. BTW – you can also do this in Aperture by opening a light table. I don’t remember, but I think Lightworks can do the same, as can Smoke.
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I would add that another way “spatial” comes into play are the options you have for custom screen configurations. For example, the ability to have one bin be textual and another only show frames. With X this is a global event browser setting as are the visible metadata fields. Screen configuration is limited in X and there may be no way around that, thanks to compromises for various formats and the move to make X a fullscreen application.
But as a reminder, here are a number of examples of what *could* be done with “legacy”:
https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/better-editing-with-custom-screen-layouts/
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[Oliver Peters] “But as a reminder, here are a number of examples of what *could* be done with “legacy”:
https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/better-editing-with-custom-screen-layouts/“
Great article! Amazing how flexible Legacy, Pr and MC allow you to be with custom layout. FCPX has a long way to go in catching up. I hope Apple will consider adding this level of flexibility to their full-screen apps.
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