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sony z1 or wait for dvx200 help please
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[Jiri Vrozina] “Who will bother with DVCPRO 50 and DVCAM next year.
“Most people. HD is slowly taking off, but for most of the population it doesn’t exist. They don’t have HD broadcasts or HDTVs. That’s hardly likely to change rapidly. Also, DVCpro50 is very lightly compressed and make a superb picture. If you need high quality SD, it’s nearly digibeta at a fraction of the price. I call that useful indeed.
[Jiri Vrozina] “How many minutes can one record of “true HD” on 2 P2 sticks?(with plastic lens and 1/3″block)??
Pana Camera is an additional gear for big brother Varicam.
It is not practical gear for Weddings,Corporates etc….
“Not practical?? And HDV is?? Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black. HDV is so cheap that if you want to record an hour HDV to tape, then why not just do that, and then people who want to embrace the new ways of thinking can go and get an HVX200. The two are not mutally exclusive and can live together quite happily. They are two different products that appeal to two different market sectors.
Graeme
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I am familiar with DVCPRO 50 cameras and format.
I own Thomson and Pana910.
I would not buy any DV,DVCAM or DVCPRO 25,50 today.
Why??
Because it will be replaced by some form of HDV within 2 years.
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Think of the DVCPro50 mode as a “freebie bonus” then. I reckon a lot of people will find it useful even if you don’t.
Graeme
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Thinking of hdv, it might be a nice bonus to hvx200 if it could record hdv to tape.
So you would have an option also in HD to record HQ/short-time(p2) or LQ/long-time(hdv) like we have the option in SD (dv/dvcpro/dvcpro50).
How about 42 minits of hdv to 8GB p2?
Sony is pushing hdv hard with these new models, so it could just became another not so good, but widely accepted format.
I really don’t like hdv, because it’s so on the edge in qualitywise. It is possible to get good quality with it (like some hotshot DP’s keep telling us), but you need absolutely optimal conditions for that.When there is at least 500,000 hdv cameras sold before not one single p2-hd, it is hard to fight against windmills…
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Because HDV doesn’t look as good as DVCproHD, is not as easy to edit as DVCProHD, and Panasonic are trying their best to produce a proper professional High Definition solution that’s also affordable. Why dhould companies compete by adopting the lowest common denominator?
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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[Graeme Nattress] “… Why should companies compete by adopting the lowest common denominator?”
I guess “VHS” isn’t exactly the “right” answer to your question, since VHS wasn’t primarily used as an acquisition format — although VHS acquisition did see fair success; it was used for distribution far more than acquisition.
Perhaps “DV” (as in DV25) is a more apt answer: Sony & JVC hope HDV becomes as popular for acquisition as DV is/was.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the many advantages of DVCPRO-50 & DVCPRO-HD, but unfortunately I have my doubts the majority of prosumer shooters and their clients do. And with increasing frequency, many pro shooter seem to be “forced” by economic constraints to use technically inferior solutions.
Certainly some good results can be achieved using “lesser” formats such as HDV and DV. But just as certainly — if not more — it seems easier to produce visibly better results using DVCPRO-50 & DVCPRO-HD.
The race to the bottom is in full swing, and there’s a good chance it’ll drag all of us down with it, willingly or not.
Although I know many folks in video production care about quality, I get the feeling that as time goes by fewer and fewer do, or can afford to. My hope is that there’ll continue to be enough call for quality at all levels of our business so some of us who care about quality get to participate in producing it at least occasionally. Otherwise, what’s the point?
All the best,
– Peter
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I think there’s more than enough room in the market for DVCproHD, P2, HDV and HDVXDCAM or whatever Sony will call their HD disc format.
Consumers are rapidly moving away from video cameras though, to stills cameras that take video (or video that takes stills, hybrid, either way you look at it), so I can certainly see where Sony is going with their new cheap HDV camera.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Giving more options to user doesn’t take them away, does it?
Dv/hdv/dvcproHD could easily exist in one camera.
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[toke lahti] “… Dv/hdv/dvcproHD could easily exist in one camera.
User should be able to choose what to use.”Yes, now there’s a radical thought! Panasonic calls their P2 cams “Camputers”. If they were truly general-purpose “video camera computers” they’d allow easy, cost-effective software reconfiguration on the fly — so you could record in whatever format you choose to pay for.
“A laptop with a lens”, so to speak.
But Graeme is right: The trend (the “pull”) from the consumer side is for “A cellphone with lens”, instead.
The latter approach certainly lends itself to a all-DRM (digital rights management) world where everything you shoot (and view) is tracked and controlled by a central wireless subscription network.
Why bother censoring information if you can get people to pay for the priveledge of having their up/download subscription cancelled instead?
Whoa, talk about getting off-topic! Sorry about that. 😉
All the best,
– Peter
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If hdv gets massively adopted, then there might not be so much market for D(vc)P(ro)HD camera.
Of course there is some market, but if Panny makes dphd camera without hdv and it sells 10,000 pcs/year then its price will be many times more than dphd+hdv camera that might sell 100,000 pcs/year.Reason is the very same than why hvx includes dv tape deck. You need to be compatible with the rest of the world.
I don’t know if people are bying $2k videostyle camera to take stills that you can take with a credit card sized still camera, but hdv is getting very popular.
Sony is selling about 10,000 z1’s per months.
Fx1 sales must be even bigger.
Also new models will sell a lot more than z1’s.
And how many hdv cameras jvc has already sold?
And canon is maybe joining the line?It seems that dphd cameras might stay in a very niche (hdv is sold 10-100 times more), which might lead to higher prices, incompability, less 3rd party accessories, and ultimately extinction.
Unless some major manufacturers adopt dphd or with this new era of “camcomputers” the format looses its significance.
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