sony z1 or wait for dvx200 help please

[Chris Borjis]

Over at the download section of the matrox website you
can download all of their non hardware independent codecs.

You can render to them in vegas. I don’t know for a fact
you can output them to tape from the timeline but my guess
would be that you could from the capture mode print to tape
and import the rendered files there.

here’s the list:

DV/DVCAM
DVCPRO
DVCPRO-50
M-Jpeg
Mpeg2 I-frame

[Graeme Nattress]

Theoretically, but Panasonic have an issue with HDV in that they don’t think it looks too good. Given that their cameras stand or fall on their picture quality, they have decided not to support a sub-DVCproHD-standard high def mode so that if people see HD from the HVX200, Panasonic can be very confident about the high quality of the picture they see.

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

[Graeme Nattress]

Well, I don’t think Sony are selling that many. I think the 30,000 figure was HDV tapes, FX1, Z1 and Deck all together that are in the supply chain, not necessarily sold, or something like that. I think Barry had more details.

Personally, I don’t think HDV will be around much longer as a pro-sumer format as Sony, next year, will be telling all it’s users that HDV is no good and they now have to invest in HDVXDCAM or whatever they’ll call it. And the year after that they’ll have the high bit rate HDXDCAM and then people will be on the upgrade track again.

HDV is great for consumers as the new cameras show, but I think most consumers are ignoring video cameras in favour of digital stills cameras and using their inbuilt to memory to record video and get it into their computer.

I don’t think any of us have crystal balls, but now that we’re all editing on computer and delivering via computer, it matters not what format the video is in, as tape is dead, as long as it’s high quality and we can easily edit it.

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

[Toke]

[Graeme Nattress] “Well, I don’t think Sony are selling that many.”
https://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5925
:
“The new HVR-A1U HDV camcorder complements Sony’s first entry into the professional HDV market, the HVR-Z1U. Introduced last fall, more than 37,000 units of Sony HDV products have already been delivered to customers worldwide.”

Maybe not 10,000/month, but close.
I think they can’t lie these things to their stock holders…

[Graeme Nattress] “I don’t think any of us have crystal balls”

I think we are the chrystal balls 🙂
But remembering what happend to dvcam; it wasn’t supposed to be “broadcast quality” only for “corporate video”. And now there’s already two sony hdv’s with xlr connectors.

You are right in that consumers are now buying less videocameras. I just saw recent market numbers for Finland and digistills and phones are up and videos are down.
This may however change when hdtv screens gets common and people start noticing the differnse between 15fps vga video from cell phone which is jerky, dark and noisy everywhere but on direct sunlight compared to hdv, which for average consumer looks suberb.
I remember back in -95 when I showed vx1000 stuff to friends and relatives and how amazed they were: “that looks like real tv!” (Not realityTV, I think the name wasn’t invented yet…:-)
Now the amazed comment would be:” that looks _better_ than real tv!”
Here in Finland we will get the first hdtv channel (from Canal+) only this September.

[Graeme Nattress]

[toke lahti] “”The new HVR-A1U HDV camcorder complements Sony’s first entry into the professional HDV market, the HVR-Z1U. Introduced last fall, more than 37,000 units of Sony HDV products have already been delivered to customers worldwide.”

Maybe not 10,000/month, but close.
I think they can’t lie these things to their stock holders…”

The problem is, that Sony sells 4 HDV products that I know of – the FX1, the Z1, the Deck and HDV tapes. Notice they don’t say they’ve sold 30,000 Z1’s – but “HDV products” which could mean anything – it’s marketspeak!

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

Hi Toke,
[toke lahti] “When there is at least 500,000 hdv cameras sold before not one single p2-hd, it is hard to fight against windmills…”

Well I don’t believe this is going to be true. According to the VP of Marketing on the 15th of February they said if the pace continued they would have 6000 in the field by NAB. Then the rumor came at NAB that they had sold 35,000. So if we are to believe Alec Shapiro, that same VP, whom I know to be a pretty straight shooter; how did they manufacture and sell 29,000 machines in 2 months? The statistic is questionable.

So to finish the thought here, they would have to sell close to 80,000 units a month to sell that many by the time the HVX200 shows up. Not only is that improbable, it would be virtually impossible.

Best,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Toke]

Yep, I think that marketing talk got me.
If that 37,000 ment 30,000 tapes, 1,000 decks, 2000 z1’s and 4000 fx1’s then there isn’t actually any explosion in the sales.
Anyway there might be over 100,000 hdv cameras sold (sony+jvc) when first hvx ships and surely before any “pal” version, so it is very possible that hdv will be very mainstream and compability with that also important thing.

[Brian Deviteri]

can you post the link? I cannot find it on the website.

[Kyle Self]

Note— it says 37,000 HDV Products delivered to customers, not 37,000 units sold. Marketing speak, they count the units they have sent (and are sitting in warenouses) to people like B&H as units delivered. Who really knows how many have been sold.

[Barry Green]

https://www.matrox.com/video/support/ds/software/codec/home.cfm

I found that after posting the MainConcept post above; should have returned here to clarify that. Yes, Matrox has a free codec, and it does work with Vegas! It’s only a codec; it doesn’t include capture or export capabilities. However, with P2, that becomes irrelevant. You may still need to use something like the Focus File Converter to convert the P2 card’s files into Vegas-editable .AVI or .MOV or whatever, but then you should be able to fully edit DVCPRO50 material in Vegas, right now.

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