Some thoughts on the FCPX Forum

[Gary Huff]

[Craig Seeman]People who want to learn about the program are being discouraged.

So? If someone comes on here and reads the posts and decides not to bother with FCPX why is that such a bad thing? Are you really suggesting that discouraging someone from learning FCPX is going to somehow harm their future well-being? Seriously? What if they come on here and decide to put that $299 towards a copy of AVID or Premiere instead? Are they not just as viable a solution?

See, the problem with so much of this Apple evangelism is the sometimes not-so-subtle message that FCPX WILL BE 100% the absolute new standard in video editing within 2-3 years. I find that idea absolutely ludicrous, so please stop with that basic assumption that fills all these posts.

There’s a lot of name calling going on.

Please provide an example of this instead of merely asserting it.

[Gary Huff]

[Gary Pollard]Interesting. So do you also go to all the other forums for software and equipment you don’t use and don’t like, and encourage people out of their misguidedness there?

Gary, don’t you find this a little uncalled for and even petty?

[Craig Seeman]

[Gary Huff] “There’s a lot of name calling going on.

Please provide an example of this instead of merely asserting it.”

Exhibit A

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/14475
you and the glee club just need an excuse to jump on every thread that is not a slobbering love affair with movie hero.

[Gary Pollard]

No, I find it a direct question. I do not use Nikon cameras and doubt I ever will. I do not go to a Nikon forum to show Nikon users the error of their ways, or tell Nikon users they are amateurs.

The fact is that I have recently pointed out ALL the limitations of FCP X for broadcast to the TV station with which I work, and as a result I do not think they will be moving to it any time soon.

However, I do not feel compelled to trash EVERY positive or engaged comment on the software that appears here, or its users. And that is what people have been complaining about.

And let’s not pretend that doing so is a “public service”. Venting is venting.

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“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

[Craig Seeman]

[Tim Wilson] “None of this changes what I said in another post: the hostility of some posters is simply unacceptable to us”

Like this
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/14475
Actually I’m pretty sure you are, but you and the glee club just need an excuse to jump on every thread that is not a slobbering love affair with movie hero.

Tim this is the garbage that is happening. This is NOT civil or even heated debate. It’s immature schoolyard garbage.

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Tim, comments like his cross the line on civil disagreements and reasonable criticism toward any products and services.

[Gary Huff]

[Gary Pollard]I do not go to a Nikon forum to show Nikon users the error of their ways, or tell Nikon users they are amateurs.

Gary, you are stretching Rafael’s point into a direction that I don’t think he intended for it to go. Hopefully you are not doing it intentionally.

However, I do not feel compelled to trash EVERY positive or engaged comment on the software that appears here, or its users. And that is what people have been complaining about.

Every comment? Really? Hyperbole is also not going to win you any brownie points.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[TImothy Auld] “Their silence on this subject speaks volumes.”

Apple’s silence should not be a shock to anyone at this point.

They released an FAQ, they talked about upcoming features and admitted a beta program.

That’s three pretty “amazing” things coming from Apple.

[Tim Wilson]

Thanks for taking the time to reply, Craig.

[Craig Seeman] “I really think, as time passes, this forum might get beyond just FCPX and become a discussion of “industry trends.” I would love to see the divergent analysis whether Apple or HP, etc and how that might impact our purchasing decisions with software and hardware tools. It could help anyone ranging from a single system purchase to a facility manager trying to asses the market. “

Nicely said. In my mind, that’s the endgame for this forum, not that it eventually merges with the FCPX Techniques forum.

I think that we can generally agree the kinds of issues you raise have been some of the best discussions here. This really is important stuff that falls well outside the scope of a single tool from a single vendor. It was more than that from the very beginning here, starting with the question of what’s a pro, and what it means when you and your key vendors have different ideas about the answer.

We’ve tried to get these kinds of discussions started several times over the years, but couldn’t find the right spark. One of the great things about the COW has been that people ask questions, get answers, and get back to work.

But we always thought it would be nice to have some place to speak much more broadly.

[Craig Seeman] “That’s often why, when many of the tech companies that sell product (hardware of software) do focus studies….”

Apple has said repeatedly that they don’t do focus groups. I hope that at some point somebody starts believing them.

Show of hands?

[Craig Seeman] ” That’s why I think a civil “industry trends” type forum would be good… if only this forum could evolve into that.”

Civility is the key, but yes, that’s exactly my hope…but I have a feeling that the next month or more is still going to be driven by what Apple does or doesn’t do.

Thanks again for the thoughtful reply,

Tim

[Chris Harlan]

I’d be totally behind a trends forum. The upside of this whole debate has been some terrific discussions of ideas.

[Timothy Auld]

I did not say I was shocked. I said Apple’s silence spoke volumes. And it does.

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