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Some thoughts on the FCPX Forum
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[Craig Seeman] “I don’t want to speak for him but if he’s frustrated or otherwise put off and his voice might represent some who may be silent, we should listen.”
But Craig, don’t you realize that everything that’s frustrating for Steve is just as frustrating for everyone else, but you don’t see everyone telling other people to leave the forum as Steve and Bill Davis do constantly and consistently.
And, I’m not splitting hairs here, sending people to the exit or trying to control them simply because they disagree with you is the worst behavior there is on a forum in my opinion.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Glen Hurd] “”as iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens the wits of another.””
. . . and for hardy folk this is good. Some tenderfoots may look for softer environs.
[Glen Hurd] “he young and inexperienced are being offered a great service in this forum – they are being given the opportunity to hear opinions from many sides on what makes for a good edit tool and what doesn’t.”
That discussion is very good. Some of the discussion has been reduced to name calling (not always people so much as the software under discussion).
When one post says “I don’t like the magnetic timeline because…” and another says “I do like because…” that’s certainly a good discussion.
If some say “it’s a piece of crap” or “it can’t do…” without any explanation and someone is then put off by the forum because informative debate is obscured by derogatory comments or claims devoid of substantiation then people will look elsewhere for information.
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I will say that as I travel to other forums I see there are people there who are no longer here and that number seems anecdotally more frequent then it has in the past. I personally believe the discourse in this specific forum is driving away some people who are interested in learning about FCPX. Anecdotal because I can’t do those kinds of analytics but it’s what I piece together in my experience.
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[Craig Seeman] “When one post says “I don’t like the magnetic timeline because…” and another says “I do like because…” that’s certainly a good discussion.
If some say “it’s a piece of crap” or “it can’t do…” without any explanation and someone is then put off by the forum because informative debate is obscured by derogatory comments or claims devoid of substantiation then people will look elsewhere for information.”
Actually Craig, while I understand the distinction you’ve made above, I don’t believe what you’ve pointed out is really the problem here on this forum. The problem here, as I’ve mentioned, has nothing to do with even the most outlandish points about the software, it’s what’s said about people. The software and Apple itself should not be considered sacred, it’s human beings (i.e. our fellow Cow members) who should be sacred here.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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I believe it is Ron’s business to worry about the success of this forum. His track record is pretty good, I figure he knows what he’s doing. If he thought the combativeness on this forum was bad for the Cow, believe me, it would have ended.
Herb Sevush
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But we need to understood the root that causes that.
Even if one were committing a crime the sociologist might examine the social causes that have developed to cause that. This is especially so such people might not have been previously disposed to such behavior.
The climate here may be conducive to certain reactions and we need to examine the climate rather than just the behavior of a few individuals.
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“The software and Apple itself should not be considered sacred, it’s human beings (i.e. our fellow Cow members) who should be sacred here.”
Actually, I think it’s only Cows that should be treated as sacred.
Herb Sevush
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[Craig Seeman] “I think the goal is to highlight the most helpful in a way that can change over time. “
Must be the like button? Since I have been of the people who don’t mind what fcpx MIGHT hold it makes sense. I am not helping those who don’t like it which seems to be the majority around here.
[Craig Seeman] “Recently I’ve even had a client or two come by and when they see him for the first time they’ve exclaimed “your famous.” It actually tells me a lot about image marketing.”
That’s so funny as it happens to my dog too! People walk in and say, I’ve seen you! he has no idea what they are taking about.
[Craig Seeman] “It’s with some irony that on your forum posts, you’re now a cow”
I put that up, actually. New members get that image as one of their avatars until they change it. I though it was weird that new members got an animal, and my dog isn’t allowed, so I figured I’d put up a COW sanctioned cow.
[Craig Seeman] “I vote for the return of your pooch…along with my puss.”
+1
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[Craig Seeman] “I will say that as I travel to other forums I see there are people there who are no longer here and that number seems anecdotally more frequent then it has in the past. I personally believe the discourse in this specific forum is driving away some people who are interested in learning about FCPX. Anecdotal because I can’t do those kinds of analytics but it’s what I piece together in my experience.”
Well, there’s no doubt that traffic throughout all the FCP forums fell off substantially in just the last week or ten days. But, that may have everything to do with the fact that it’s the end of summer and vacation time, or it could be because Apple has been completely mute as of late, or it could be because very few people give a damn. We can only surmise…
Still, and yes, I’m being bullish on the subject, I don’t believe there’s anything anyone can say about the software that drives people away.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[David Roth Weiss] “your dog picture discriminated against. “
Mmm, it was pulled and another picture of me from when I wrote an article was put up.
I returned my dog, and it was replaced again. Thats when it went up ‘For Rent’.
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