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RedShark News: Opinion: Which are the best NLEs right now?
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[Bill Davis] “But the unique processes in X makes the work more efficient and more CREATIVE – (not according to me, but according to the editing professionals posting these examples.)
The bottom line is that there IS a growing body of evidence that the way Apple reconstituted X has lead to editors who use it to leverage the new thinking into ACTUAL editorial improvements in their work – compared to what they used to do in their traditional NLEs. “
Can you point us at examples where Professionals are claiming they can be more CREATIVE in FCPX? because much as I love FCPX I certainly wouldn’t claim it’s made me more creative in my editing, for me it’s faster and it’s much more fun but my editorial creativity comes from me NOT the NLE I’m using
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[Bill Davis] “But Water, this forum has never even been CLOSE to being an FCP X monoculture. “
I think the balance here has shifted a lot since day one. Looking at the heads currently on the top of this forum, everyone except Andrew and myself are primarily FCP X users — and I don’t think either Andrew or I are dismissive of FCP X.
[Bill Davis] “And again, perhaps it’s “posting PTSD” – but I still remind myself that whenever I say something positive about X I have to make dammed sure I follow it with a sentence acknowledging that Premier and AVID are fine tools as well. Thats awfully tiresome. But it comes directly out of an environment when X was the derided underdog from day one. “
I don’t think arguments occur when someone says something positive about their favorite software. I think they occur when someone says (or strongly implies) something negative about someone else’s favorite software.
That’s one of the things that differentiates the Luddite dinosaur argument. It’s not about using FCP X. It’s about not using FCP X.
[Bill Davis] “I had someone who’s lurked here regularly but was discussing this on another board jokingly suggest that I’d spent the last 3 years defending X on this forum with an “iron hand”. The interesting thing was how he followed that with the observation that everyone else excited about X had simple long ago left for other neighborhoods, not wanting to put up with the constant X (and X supporter!) bashing here.”
Somehow, I think everyone feels that their NLE of choice is bashed here.
[Bill Davis] “Yes, “dinosaur” became a pejorative meme in these parts. But so did variants of the equally pejorative FCP X fanboy.”
Yes, that’s my point. The “Luddite dinosaur” argument is related to the “fanboy” argument: they’re posts about posters. I’d rather talk about data models and tools, workflows in the abstract, or maybe even real, actual work!
[Bill Davis] “Oh, and Happy Holidays Walter!- perhaps we can hang out a bit at NAB again in April. I hope you and yours have a great 2015!”
Likewise!
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “I think the balance here has shifted a lot since day one. Looking at the heads currently on the top of this forum, everyone except Andrew and myself are primarily FCP X users — and I don’t think either Andrew or I are dismissive of FCP X.”
I’m not actually sure if the “heads” up top are a measure of something or not.
For example, my friend Gary Adcock had his photo up at the top of the FCP X Techniques forum for a HUGE string of months on my display, and I can’t recall more than a couple of posts from him from time to time. It’s like he’d been “pinned” there.
And David Battistella is still up there, despite not having posted anything in the last 60 days.
Jenn Lindsey is up there (which I think is FABULOUS since acknowledging the women in the field is a value I support whole heartedly!) but I think she’s relatively new – so it can’t be longevity or accumulated points. (Please stay and keep contributing, Jenn!)
I know that one setting is “top contributors” but I *think* it functions on some type of time basis, so someone who posts 50 times, but crosses the time boundary might get 25 posts in each of two different time slices – might therefore fail to make the picture gallery?
But really, I don’t have a clue how rogues gallery participation actually functions.
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[Bill Davis] “Yes, “dinosaur” became a pejorative meme in these parts.”
Ahhh, the admission.
I thank you.
Applause.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
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[Bill Davis] “I’m not actually sure if the “heads” up top are a measure of something or not.”
I’m sure that Tim could describe the algorithm in more detail, but basically they indicate forum leaders and frequent recent posters.
In the case of this forum, I think they’re a pretty good summary of who’s talking a lot.
There’s an aphorism of dubious attribution which says that a person who says something is impossible should not interrupt a person who is doing it. Don’t you think we have more of the latter than the former here now?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Steve Connor] “If only they had imagined a way to re-sync clips easily, or even add sync markers as well”
Huh?
They did EXACTLY this. It’s not difficult to set markers as a sync assist when you invoke “break apart clip items” since they break apart in sync.
The entire POINT of treating clips as unified audio and video files and allowing the editor to work on them as a unit. Why? Because it takes huge complexity out of the system. You only need to work on separate files if you CHOOSE to do so. If the camera provides audio and video in sync, it STAYS that way. In all other NLEs you ALWAYS have to consider Audio and Video as separate items – particularly in areas such as Audio clip collisions where you can move a clip with a J-CUT or L-CUT somewhere and accidentally kill the adjacent audio you never wanted to lose.
Honestly, the resistance to giving up the way it’s been done, JUST because it’s the way it’s been done – is kinda staggering sometimes.
This is why so many young editors find X so much easier to “get” than us old dogs. Bunches of things like the fact that it doesn’t make you condition yourself to perpetually think about every clip as TWO things, when you’re actually using it as ONE thing.
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[Bill Davis] “Honestly, the resistance to giving up the way it’s been done, JUST because it’s the way it’s been done – is kinda staggering sometimes. “
Go on say the word “Dinosaur” 🙂
Wanting sync markers have NOTHING (see I can shout too Bill) to do with not adapting, it’s just about wanting something very BASIC (shouting again!) that other NLEs have instead of having to apply markers which is, in effect a WORKROUND! (Apologies for all the shouting)
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[Herb Sevush] “[Bill Davis] “Yes, “dinosaur” became a pejorative meme in these parts.”
Ahhh, the admission.
I thank you.”
Oh, admitted. It was a sobriquet earned by the very few but applied to a whole class, to be sure.
(Now I shall wait patiently for you to acknowledge that “FCP X fanboy” has been just as prevalent.)
…of course we also know that lashing out at someone who holds a minority position is considered less a transgression than lashing out at a member of a majority position (at least by those IN said majority position)
so there’s that.
and so it goes.
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[Steve Connor] “Go on say the word “Dinosaur” :)”
Totally unnecessary since without even saying it – I could instantly implant the term directly into YOUR brain.
Such a rush of power – this ability to infect the minds of other. I shall double down on my watchfulness that I might use this stunning power wisely…
; )
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[Steve Connor] “Can you point us at examples where Professionals are claiming they can be more CREATIVE in FCPX? because much as I love FCPX I certainly wouldn’t claim it’s made me more creative in my editing, for me it’s faster and it’s much more fun but my editorial creativity comes from me NOT the NLE I’m using”
Read and enjoy…
https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1571-old-school-magic-in-fcpx-a-breath-taking-combination
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Some of what he said clipped from the article:What baffles me about this software is the ability to layer an insane amount of effects and commands, and keep playing everything while you work in the timeline, even on this hardware. I love the instant feedback on what I do and I try not to think about what this machine is processing from shot to shot. The things I’m doing in my home office now I could only do with dedicated Shake or Flame stations 6>7 years ago.
I started off many years ago cutting on super 8, then 16mm, 35mm, Lightworks and Avid and then Final Cut. When I found Final Cut I knew I was at home.
I have edited television shows, docs, commercials and features on it. Then the new Final Cut came out and my dear friend and tech guru Sean Lander told me “Don’t get angry, don’t be impatient. Take the time to learn this system and you will never regret it”. He was spot on. It took me three days to get up to speed, but once I arrived I found I could edit in half the time I was used to.
___Every high end X editor I know talks about the same thing. The productivity gains they achieve after learning X allows them to focus less on editing mechanics and focus more on being able to CREATE. They aren’t as constrained to do things just ONE way because they know it’s going to be a pain to reset if they go astray – so they feel free to experiment more. One of the first guys to bring this up specifically was Mike Matzdorff in his experience with using FCP X on Focus. It’s an emerging theme with X editors and they mention is that it provides them with new freedom for more creative experimentation.
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