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Question for first time HD capture and edit
First time HD capture/edit here. Experienced editor but not in HD.
We are using the Panny 1400 connected to KONA 3 connected to Mac Pro 8 core.
FCP 6.0.2. Using the JVC DT-V24L1DU 24 inch LCD HD monitor.
The final show will be output to our DigiBeta deck for broadcast in SD.
Output to HD isn’t necessary at this point for our infomercials but we will output
back to the 1400 for HD airings later.The footage was shot 720p23.98. I was thinking I would use a
DVCPRO HD 720p23.98 sequence for the show. Is this a good idea?
Or should I bring in the footage 59.94 in some other codec like the Pro Res?The deck can be set for a system freq of 59.94 or 23.98.
Which do I use? Is this determined by how I want to capture or by the tape
I’m playing back?I’m very nervous about making the right choices for this
first HD project. I’ve been reading the posts and talking to people
but still, I’m nervous.Thanks for your help.
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14 Replies
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Having no idea because I’m a step behind you, I offer only this advice. Just do something now and don’t let your anxiety stop you. Because, here’s the great thing: So long as you use Log & Capture correctly, and mark the source tapes with reel numbers and all that, you can edit in what you *think* is right, and if you’re wrong, you can simply change the capture parameters of the clips if you are so far off that you need new source footage.
I’m guessing you’ve gotten worked up on this, but now you have to trust that you have a clue – even if you don’t. After all, you never learn to swim if you don’t get wet.
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Yeah you’re right. I’ve gotten some advice from my VAR too about
settings on the deck and the sync generator etc., so I’m ready to
see what happens.Thanks,
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If every frame was shot in 23.98 mode you can set the deck’s frequency to 23.98 and capture that way. When I did that I had to use the 1080 23.93PsF setting. That was with BM Decklink, Kona maybe different. But for further understanding DVCPRO HD only records 59.94P. When you set the frame rate what you are doing is setting a telecine cadence.
The other option is to capture in native DVCPRO HD 720 59.94P and use the frame converter tool to generate your 23.98 clips. This might yield the best results. Either way I’d stay in the DVCPRO HD codec it has a bit rate around 12 to 15 where ProRes HQ is around 28. No sense in adding data that wasn’t there to begin with.
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[Dan Riley] “The footage was shot 720p23.98. I was thinking I would use a
DVCPRO HD 720p23.98 sequence for the show. Is this a good idea?”Yes…this is a good idea, since that is what you shot. If you didn’t want 720p23.98, then you should have shot another format. But no…this is a good format and a good way to work with it. That is what I do.
[Dan Riley] “Or should I bring in the footage 59.94 in some other codec like the Pro Res?”
ProRes will take up a LOT more space than DVCPRO HD. No, save ProRes for when you color correct and output. Transcode to that codec in Color or in FCP.
[Dan Riley] “The deck can be set for a system freq of 59.94 or 23.98.
Which do I use? Is this determined by how I want to capture or by the tape
I’m playing back?”You use 23.98…that is determined by the flags on the tape that are put there by the camera when it is shot. Well, the tape ALWAYS will run thru at 59.94, but if it is flagged as 23.98 footage, FCP will detect those flags and remove the proper pulldown. So if you shot 23.98, use the DVCPRO HD 720p24 Easy Setup and FCP will remove the proper frames.
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Putting the deck in 23/24 mode will not output 720p23.98, but it will output 1080psf23.98 removing all of the pulldown for you and making new timecode from 30 @ 24.
Since you are going down to Digibeta, 720p23.98 should be just fine, and yes DVCPro HD takes up more space, but it’s 10 bit and will save you from doing an online step. I say go with ProRes, or ProResHQ. Since you are working @ 720p23.98, the file sizes will come down a lot. The amount of rt you get with ProRes is also worth it in my book.
Jeremy
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So Jeremy, I see that when I put the deck into 24/23 (23.98) mode,
the KONA card thinks the output is 1080sf23.98, not 1080psf23.98. Does this mean I do an easy setup using that setting, or do I use the easy setup for 720p23.98 ?If I put the deck in 59.94 setting, then the KONA card thinks the footage is 720p59.94. Do I use that setting for the easy setup or here again, use the 720p23.98 which the footage actually is?
And what do you mean by “making new timecode from 30@24”?
Do I want to make new timecode? Sounds scary to me. I would never
do that in the SD world.Dan
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Dan, I think it would be easier for you to work in 720p23.98 (put the deck back in 59/60). Use the AJA Kona3 720p 23.98 ‘Choose your codec’ Varicam setting. Make sure the setting says Varicam. For codecs I’d choose either DVCPro HD or ProRes or HQ.
As far as the timecode in 23/24, the deck will remove all pulldown and reassign new 24p timecode to the 1080psf stream. This is different from your Varicam timecode as that’s base 30, but don’t worry about that as you will be working in 720p 23.98 with base 30 timecode and it will skip the necessary frames. FCP can track this information very well.
Jeremy
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Thanks Jeremy. I’m like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs right now.
I just need to jump in to learn it and then I’ll calm down I’m sure.Dan
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Hilarious!
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I honestly edit all DVCPro HD material in 720/59.94, especially now that FCP supports Drop Frame in 720p. Have never had a need to edit in 23.98, though that keeps you file sizes small.
I capture / output via HD-SDI on our 1400’s.
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