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Premiere Pro gets an update – where’s ours?
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[David Roth Weiss] “I agree with you, I have never encountered a single person in L.A. using Premiere. However, I can tell you that in the rest of the country, and the rest of world, Premiere has by far the greatest number of users of any NLE, hands down. Adobe products are used in the corporate world in a very big way”
You are absolutely right David. LA, London or Berlin it doesn’t shows the full picture. For each person working in a big-medium budget there are 1000 people working in low-no budget production.
I bet that for each copy of FC working there are 50 copies of Premier running.
I know that many many PP users have been migrating in the last few years to a program call “Edius” I think is from Canopus. I guess Adobe is trying to get back the customers.
Rafael -
I’m sorry, as far as the keyboard shortcuts go, I can’t say I’m exactly sure what you’re talking about as I don’t work with Premiere all that often and don’t know the keyboard shortcuts.
As far as the whole part about why you would want the whole track selection layout that is now featured…I guess that’s more of a preference on how you work. I find most people that come from a Premiere/FCP upbringing like to click and drag whole clips to the timeline and pick which parts of the video they want from the timeline. I find most people who come from an Avid background work more in the way of loading a clip into the source monitor, making in and out points, and using the keyboard to splice-in/overwrite. (Although it doesn’t help that Apple decided to make those two keys, probably two of the most important keys, some asinine keyboard command like cmd-F11 or something weird like that if I’m not mistaken). With the track functionality the way it is in Avid and the way it seems Premiere has changed to, it makes it much easier and much more predictable to know which tracks are going to be shifted and which tracks are going to stay put. The way it is in Final Cut now and the way it was in Premiere, unless you locked a track, it was being shifted when you spliced-in (sorry, not sure what the FCP term is…ripple edit? insert edit?). Here you have more control. It’s just a much more logical approach to me, as I can get any result I want because I know exactly what’s going to happen at any given time.
If I had a sequence with video on v1 and audio on a1-4, and I had a new clip I wanted to use to overwrite a portion of v1, a1, and a2, and at the same time delete the audio on a3 and a4, it would be a two step process in FCP…overwrite v1, a1, and a2, and then delete a3, and a4. With the “Avid setup” you just activate V1, A1, and A2 on the source side with it patched to V1, A1, and A2 on the sequence side, but also activate A3 and A4 on the record side, which in essence will tell the timeline “okay, I also want to do something to these tracks”. It will look over at the record side and find nothing patched to it, so it will overwrite that “nothing” over whatever audio was on A3 and A4 into my timeline…therefore, deleting that section.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation. It’s kind of hard to explain unless you’re used to working that way I guess. As much as I despise working on Avid because of it’s completely outdated and idiotic way of dealing with effects, I still think no other editor even comes close to it for having the most refined EDITING interface and having the “fastest” interface. It does things the “right way” in my eyes. Many won’t agree I’m sure, but that’s my opinion. So it’s cool to see that Premiere has adopted that kind of workflow.
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I use patching to put edits on the track I want. Sure, I can drag an drop the clips into the appropriate track, but to use all keyboard shortcuts (i.e. F10 for Overwrite) is a stunningly faster way to edit. Most self taught guys are drag and droppers and get the job done just fine. It’s just while they are still working, I’d already be home working on my first Sierra Nevada (given the same amount of edits to do). Once you see how much faster you can go, you’ll never drag and drop again. Note: It’s a HARD habit to break.
Not sure what you mean by trying to edit with CMD + E. I think what you are talking about is extend edit, which is just “E”. Select the edit, move the playhead to where you want to extend to. Then, press “E”. You do have to have enough handles however.
If you are self trained, it would be worth your while to take one “official” Apple Pro Training course to see how you are supposed to wrangle the software. Another option would be to contact an Apple Certified instructor and see if you can get a 4 hour block of one on one lessons. You can read these forums forever, but only an experienced FCP instructor, or a very experienced FCP user can show you how to connect the dots.
I like Premiere Sync Lock. Very cool. You can ripple multiple tracks in FCP, you just have to select all the edits on the cut line-then drag, or use the bracket keys to dial in your trim. You can also do this in the Trim Edit Window.
Kevin Monahan
http://www.fcpworld.com
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using the keyboard to splice-in/overwrite. (Although it doesn’t help that Apple decided to make those two keys, probably two of the most important keys, some asinine keyboard command like cmd-F11 or something weird like that if I’m not mistaken).
You are mistaken. It’s F9 for Insert (Splice). F10 for Overwrite. F11 for Replace. Simple! If that is too tough, you can always remap the keyboard. 😉
You can easily ripple multiple tracks in FCP, you just need to select ’em first. I do it all the time. You can even trim asymmetrically. Very Predictable!
I find most Avid Editors don’t use Replace. “Awww, I never use the Blue Button!”.
As an Avid guy, the only thing I miss about Avid is the Trim Edit Window. And Markers. Those suck in FCP, no doubt!
Kevin Monahan
http://www.fcpworld.com
Author – Motion Graphics and Effects in Final Cut Pro -
Most of the people I know who where using Premiere including myself opted to go with FCS, and I’m here in the middle of the US in Missouri, not in LA or East Coast. Matter of fact I don’t know anybody who is using Premiere anymore, it’s either FCS or Avid.
Photoshop came out with some cool upgrades but Premiere still has some ways to go before they make me a believer.
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[Rafael Amador] “I bet that for each copy of FC working there are 50 copies of Premier running.”
I wonder how many of those were actually paid for. I think pirating Adobe software is more common among college students than smoking pot.
I just bought CS3 for Encore Blu-ray a few weeks ago. I played around with Premiere. I had an HDV sequence. It was blazing fast. No lag when scrubbing or anything like that.
Sean
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I think part of the problem for Adobe is most editors have this really bad Premiere hang over from the old days (anyone remember Premiere 4 or 5?), and just don’t want to even think about using it. They have Avid or FCP and they’re happy. But I really think if they saw what PPro’s like now, and played with it, things could change.
Adobe really has to reach that audience that lost faith in Premiere a long time ago. CS4 looks like a big step in trying to do just that.
—Eric
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Sean,
When I bought FC in Bangkok the people in the shop were looking at me like to an alien. They couldn’t understand that I was paying $1.200 for what the in the shop in front was $40.
I didn’t want to talk about piracy. But when somebody works for 50 dollar a month for 12 hours a day editing, I won’t ask him if his software is licensed or not.
I don’t think that big companies care much if students or the people of Burkina Faso or Papua New Guinea copy their software. They know that many of the pirates of today are the customers of tomorrow.
(and I have reasons to believe that some companies support this sub-market).
What software companies don’t want is that people who made a good profit and can pay for the software don’t do it.
rafael -
Gee, Walter are you suggesting that Adobe isn’t committed to the Mac? Whatever gave you that idea… Encore that doesn’t work… CS4 with no 64bit support? (sarcasm intentional)
Let’s see, we’ve had 64bit machines for years that actually work, while Windows only recently got them and most don’t work. Yep, makes sense to put 64bit on Windows. As for their excuse, it’s pathetic. They should have started writing in Cocoa in 2003 like everyone else, and not make excuses that things suddenly changed in 2007. The real topper is them treating us like we’re stupid and saying that the lack of 64bit support on the Mac won’t be an issue… yeah right… any more than a defective Encore and $1,200 updates aren’t a problem… and don’t get me started on their draconian registration system that can leave you hanging as a deadline approaches!
This is why we stopped using AE years ago, we no longer develop our website on Adobe products, and we’re looking at alternatives to Photoshop. I’m not having my business be dependent on any company that shows such disdain for the Mac market…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
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[Eric Addison] “I think part of the problem for Adobe is most editors have this really bad Premiere hang over from the old days (anyone remember Premiere 4 or 5?), and just don’t want to even think about using it. They have Avid or FCP and they’re happy. But I really think if they saw what PPro’s like now, and played with it, things could change.
Adobe really has to reach that audience that lost faith in Premiere a long time ago. CS4 looks like a big step in trying to do just that.”
I couldn’t agree with you more, Eric. Premiere is a great editor. At this point, I believe Avid, FCP, and Premiere are all great editors. But yeah, Adobe has to somehow get people to look at Premiere again. I remember talking to a FCP editor and him saying, “I hate Premiere, everything you do, you have to render, render, render.” Not the case anymore. Premiere just got a bad rep from before it was Premiere Pro.
Paul Del Vecchio – Director
http://www.triple-e-productions.net
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