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Premiere Pro gets an update – where’s ours?
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Eric,
Yes, I began my edit career on Premiere 4, and worked up to 6.0, then the bubble burst. Fortunately, that’s when FCP came out, so there was barely a gap. But to this day I resent Adobe for abandoning Mac users.
Have a wonderful day.
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[Paul Del Vecchio] “I couldn’t agree with you more, Eric. Premiere is a great editor. At this point, I believe Avid, FCP, and Premiere are all great editors. But yeah, Adobe has to somehow get people to look at Premiere again. I remember talking to a FCP editor and him saying, “I hate Premiere, everything you do, you have to render, render, render.” Not the case anymore. Premiere just got a bad rep from before it was Premiere Pro.”
The thing is, Premiere Pro has been comparable to FCP ever since it became Premiere PRO – back in 2004 or whatever. Four years later it’s rep doesn’t seem to have changed. They should have dumped the word “Premiere” from the name and called it something completely different.
Sean
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Chris –
Well, I guess it’s time you gave Premiere Pro CS4 a look since it’s back on the Mac. Trust me – it’s not at all what it once was…oh, thank God for that!
Even if you don’t want it for your everyday editor, it still has some feaures that you can’t get anywhere else.
Come on, Chris – let the resentment go….give it chance!
—Eric
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[Eric Addison] “Come on, Chris – let the resentment go….give it chance! “
Why? I have an entire shop and workflow built around Final Cut Pro and it works. A few new features on Premiere is not going to sway someone like me to drop FCP and switch to Premiere.
If you’re someone looking to outfit a new facility or starting out in the business, then Premiere would be worth a consideration. But for folks like me with an established workflow, that works really well and is really affordable, why would I bother “giving Premiere a chance?”
Thanks but no thanks.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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You know, my gut says “bunk!” Because everyone of us has the dang thing installed on our system. Know why? Because we all hae AE, Illustrator, and PS. We bought the appropriate suite and Premiere came with it. Don’t you think Adobe researched this? They got nearly every pro FCP user to also buy Premiere and it just sits there. Whethere they’re trying to get us to just try it, or whether they want to up their install base for the numbers I don’t know. But this whole Premiere has the most users thing is bunk. It comes with everything. It’s bundled with cards, software, etc. Pros aren’t using it. And beginners are using simpler options I think.
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Why? I have an entire shop and workflow built around Final Cut Pro and it works. A few new features on Premiere is not going to sway someone like me to drop FCP and switch to Premiere.
Maybe it won’t sway you specifically, but I can see it definitely swaying people like you, or at the very least get them considering something like this. Switching to Premiere would offer some people more than just working with a new editor that has a few bells and whistles added…with integration with other Adobe apps like AE and Photoshop that many, many editors use anyway, it could greatly help out their workflow, speed it up, and streamline it. That’s one reason I never really had the desire to switch over to FCP. It’s just a different editor, when I’m perfectly happy with Avid. The added tools in the suite would mean nothing to me. I tried learning some motion, but didn’t really care too much for it. I never needed a $25,000 coloring tool because I’m not a colorist and probably wouldn’t get a whole lot more out of it than I do with built in tools. I don’t need DVD studio pro because I find Encore gives me everything Studio Pro does, only more elegantly in the way it works with PS layers and whatnot (yes, I know, you don’t like Encore…). But the added suite of Adobe would indeed mean something to me. The ability to work more seamlessly with AE and Photoshop and Encore, which I already use ALL the time, and even Illustrator occasionaly, it adds more than just a simple editor program change.
Sure, you have an established workflow that works fine for you. But some people with an established workflow sometimes look to change for an even better workflow.
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[David Frisk] ” I never needed a $25,000 coloring tool because I’m not a colorist and probably wouldn’t get a whole lot more out of it than I do with built in tools.”
This is the one place where we differ. I took the initiative to purchase Final Touch HD when it was a stand-alone app and learning how to color grade properly opened the doors to a lot more high end broadcast and even feature film work coming into the shop now.
So Color is a huge addition for us. As for the Adobe tools, the two we use are Photoshop and After Effects. With Automatic Duck, the integration between AE and FCP is seamless so I already have that.
Premiere is a good look for someone starting out or not satisfied with their current workflow. For us, the workflow works and there’s nothing in Premiere that makes me go “wow I need to consider that to change our workflow.” The only thing I would want would be the voice recognition to make quick transcripts if it worked, and that would just be a stand-alone use of the app.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
Read my Blog!
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But that is your particular case. Not everyone had Color or needs Color. And trust me when I say that having automatic duck is in no way the same as having a dynamically linked composition between Premiere, After Effects, Encore, and Soundbooth for that matter. Throw in Premiere’s new even-deeper integration with Photoshop or that fact that it has continuous rasterization of vector layers, and there’s a lot there to consider. Or what about if having the ability to do direct-to-disk recording would really be a timesaver? Again, maybe not for you personally, but maybe for someone else. I only bring this up because you act as though someone else shouldn’t give this whole package a look just because you wouldn’t or don’t find it useful. I’m saying that there’s plenty of reason for someone with a FCP shop to do it…they may find it useful in a way that you wouldn’t because maybe they have different needs or wants than you do. The same way someone like you finds Final Cut Studio useful to you, but I find a waste of many apps if I were to adopt it.
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As a self-taught FCP guy who knows that a course or two would help out immensely, I can’t imagine the time it would take to go back to Premiere and use it like a Pro. I moved away from Premiere in 2001 and never looked back. We looked at Avid in 2006, but then saw Apple’s new FCS2 and the addition of Color and decided that Avid just wasn’t attractive enough to budge away from something we already had, already knew and had already paid for. I also think one MAJOR weakness in the Adobe suite is Soundbooth. For cripes sake, you’d think they’d bundle Audition in there. I don’t much care for Soundtrack, so I export audio to the PC so I can use Audition, then I bring it back in. Over a SAN or even a network connection the workflow is cake. I was using Cool Edit Pro when I was in radio so I have a huge level of comfort with Audition. They made a mistake bundling the weaker Soundbooth.
KC Allen
Allen Film & Video“My name is actually spelled KC…really…it is…”
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[David Frisk] “Again, maybe not for you personally, but maybe for someone else. I only bring this up because you act as though someone else shouldn’t give this whole package a look just because you wouldn’t or don’t find it useful. I”
If you read my responses thoroughly, I said it would be something to look at if you’re starting out or not happy with your workflow. Don’t think I ever said that no one should not give it a look.
I’m happy you like Premiere. Personally I don’t use it and don’t recommend it. I recommend FCP and Avid for folks who need a professional editing tool.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
Read my Blog!
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