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Prem vs FCPX – Panels
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[Walter Soyka] “That strikes me as an incredibly dark view. Why on earth would anyone buy an add-on if they didn’t find real value or tangible benefit in it?”
Overtime a application developer adds features to their program they increase the value. Often, those are DETATCHED from the need to increment revenue. Apple just spent huge amounts of time and money plumbing in MASSIVE improvements in FCP X 10.3 – yet that was almost completely DECOUPLED from revenue concerns – at least for existing users.
Why DARK?
It’s right up front. Adobe prizes incremental add-on sales inside their apps. What’s wrong with that?
It’ isn’t “dark” to note that that the links and hooks that Premiere is coming up with are (at least in some cases) are tied to revenue production.
Adobe Stock does it extremely openly and obviously.
In X the similar system works very differently. I can get “in app” pitches for new products via Motion VFX or FX Factory- but ONLY after my own opt-in – not plumbed into the Application by the manufacturer. Once again, it’s Apple leaving third party commerce to the third parties, rather than trying to plumb it directly into the program.
It’s seems like a VERY different approach to me.
Thats all.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “Why DARK? It’s right up front. Adobe prizes incremental add-on sales inside their apps. What’s wrong with that? “
I don’t think anything’s wrong with that. Didn’t you suggest that this was did not providing end user benefits, but just separating people from their money?
[Bill Davis] “Overtime a application developer adds features to their program they increase the value. Often, those are DETATCHED from the need to increment revenue. Apple just spent huge amounts of time and money plumbing in MASSIVE improvements in FCP X 10.3 – yet that was almost completely DECOUPLED from revenue concerns – at least for existing users. “
Apple and BMD give out free software or updates. They can afford it, because their customers are on a de facto hardware subscription.
Does your business model allow you to provide free “new feature” updates to the videos you produce for your clients? Why should software be different?
Getting back to the panel architecture, we’re not just talking about first-party add-ons here. Take Vimeo. You’re a Vimeo customer already. If you were using Premiere, you could use the Vimeo panel:
https://join.vimeo.com/adobe-premiere-panelI know that FCPX has Share, but the point here is that anyone who offers a service can integrate directly inside Premiere with this panel architecture.
There’s a hard limit to what you can do with just a desktop application running on a disconnect personal computer. There’s a lot more you can do when you add networked services on top. I’m really excited about the possibilities.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Bill Davis] “It’ isn’t “dark” to note that that the links and hooks that Premiere is coming up with are (at least in some cases) are tied to revenue production.
Adobe Stock does it extremely openly and obviously.”
The company has to make money. Unlike Apple, Adobe needs to generate real revenue from it’s cloud products. They don’t have that iPhone juice. Avid does the same things because they are somewhat in the same boat as Adobe. The thing is, no one forces you to buy any more than you want to. That’s up to you.
Plus, Adobe stock is pretty cool. 😉
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Bill Davis] “To the best of my knowledge, there was never a MASSIVE mis-impression that Adobe Premiere Pro was a TERRIBLE NLE and that Adobe had “ruined” editing by creating it.”
Dude? Seriously? lol I know you like to complain about how hard it was to be an X-user back in the day (by that I mean a few years ago) but Premiere has been getting crapped on regularly since the early 90’s! Never a massive mis-impression… LOL
[Bill Davis] “Overtime a application developer adds features to their program they increase the value. Often, those are DETATCHED from the need to increment revenue. Apple just spent huge amounts of time and money plumbing in MASSIVE improvements in FCP X 10.3 – yet that was almost completely DECOUPLED from revenue concerns – at least for existing users. “
Except you need a computer from Apple to use it. Preferably a newer Mac (at last going by your praise about how much better your experience is using a newer MBP vs an older tower). Apple, like BM, can afford to give away the software because it’s tied to their hardware. Adobe can’t adopt that model because they don’t sell hardware.
[Bill Davis] “It’s right up front. Adobe prizes incremental add-on sales inside their apps. What’s wrong with that? “
What are you talking about? Things like the the Vimeo or the Frame.io panel don’t cost money any more than using the Share feature in X costs money. The very cool Post Notes panel costs money, but it’s a plugin. And Adobe certainly doesn’t get a cut of the money I pay to Pond5 if I use their stock footage and associated Panel.
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[Tony West] “You have to have that “patch panel” in Pr That’s the “cruft” I don’t need.”
Call me crazy, but sometimes FCP X is just perfect for what I need to do.
And sometimes it’s Premiere.
And sometimes it’s Media Composer.
And sometimes it’s Resolve.
And so on.
I guess I need therapy.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Call me crazy, but sometimes FCP X is just perfect for what I need to do.
And sometimes it’s Premiere.
And sometimes it’s Media Composer.
And sometimes it’s Resolve.
And so on.
I guess I need therapy.”
Not on this evidence. ????
Although I can see why some people would call you crazy for not just paying lip service to “using the right tool for the job” but actually THINKING about the best tool, and CHOOSING them on a project-by-project basis. Surely the definition of insanity. ????
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Call me crazy, but sometimes FCP X is just perfect for what I need to do.
And sometimes it’s Premiere.
And sometimes it’s Media Composer.
And sometimes it’s Resolve.
And so on.
I guess I need therapy.”
Sorry, you can’t say things like that on here.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I guess I need therapy.
“Therapy? is awesome. I suggest starting with Troublegum, it’s probably their best album.
https://www.therapyquestionmark.co.uk/
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Call me crazy, but sometimes FCP X is just perfect for what I need to do. And sometimes it’s Premiere. And sometimes it’s Media Composer. And sometimes it’s Resolve. And so on. I guess I need therapy.”
I know one of your use cases for Resolve [link]. Where, roughly, do you draw the lines for the other apps?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive | RenderBreak [blog] | Profile [LinkedIn] -
[Walter Soyka] “Apple and BMD give out free software or updates. They can afford it, because their customers are on a de facto hardware subscription. “
Funny you should mention that.
We’d barely started marketing XinTwo when we started getting hints that X might change significantly. So I had to put it on hold until we knew if ALL the lessons would be essentially obsolete before release. When I saw the new interface in 10.3, I realized that the best way to serve our potential customers would be to re-capture everything with the new interface.
So, yes. A free update of EVERYTHING is EXACTLY what I’ve spent the last few months working on.
I took the hit and revised my product, hopefully for the benefit of my customers, without any compensation for the effort in making the change.
And so it goes.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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