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  • Walter Soyka

    March 8, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Funny you should mention that. We’d barely started marketing XinTwo when we started getting hints that X might change significantly… A free update of EVERYTHING is EXACTLY what I’ve spent the last few months working on. I took the hit and revised my product, hopefully for the benefit of my customers, without any compensation for the effort in making the change. “

    But you’re charging a subscription. How could it be a free update when your customers are paying every month?

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Bill Davis

    March 9, 2017 at 2:42 am

    It’s just semantics, I suppose.

    I could have left all the lessons we’d completed prior to the change “as is” and just used the new look going forward – sorta like a software program that only builds a little new code on top of all the legacy code that already exists and sells that as something new. I just felt that would be less valuable to subscribers who would want to come to learn about the program as it looks and functions in the present day.

    Again, to my mind it’s subscriptions ala Lynda.com – where the ease of entry AND exit keeps me motivated to try to get my subscriptions by focusing on end user value – rather than locking subscribers into my system by more or less holding their creative IP hostage.

    Same philosophy I’ve always held.

    Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

  • Tony West

    March 9, 2017 at 5:46 am

    [Simon Ubsdell] “Call me crazy,”

    Everyone stop calling Simon crazy. Everyone who might have been doing that : )

  • Andrew Kimery

    March 9, 2017 at 6:09 am

    [Robin S. Kurz] “Absolutely. Comparing completely non-standard layouts strikes me as pretty disingenuous and contrived.”

    How is it disingenuous and contrived? Comparing and contrasting is pretty fundamental to analyses, debate and exploration of various ways of thinking/problem solving.

  • Andrew Kimery

    March 9, 2017 at 7:28 am

    [Bill Davis] “It’s just semantics, I suppose. “

    It’s not semantics, either you are charging people to access the videos or you offering them for free (not counting people on the 7-day free trial).

    You wanted to increase of the value of your service with, presumably, the intended goals of retaining current subscribers as well as attracting new ones. It’s almost like you are saying subscription services need to continuously prove their worth or risk losing subscribers. 😉

  • Simon Ubsdell

    March 9, 2017 at 11:43 am

    [Walter Soyka] “Where, roughly, do you draw the lines for the other apps?”

    With the proviso that this is my opinion based on my editing and business needs, which are not necessarily going to be the same as anyone else’s, and only celebrating the positives and ignoring the negatives …

    Media Composer: for collaboration.

    There is still no better solution for a team of editors working on the same project at the same time.

    FCP X: for the fun.

    For the sheer, freeform, creative exuberance of it, there is nothing like working in the magnetic timeline.

    Premiere: for the Swiss Army Knife factor.

    Premiere takes up where FCP 7 left off in offering the most adaptable set of workflow options. No one thing stands out but I would list: flexible and powerful relinking, comprehensive interchange options that work right out of the box, workspace customisation, advanced audio mixing capabilities, and of course the seamless interaction with Ps, Ai and Ae.

    Resolve: for the finished look

    For some projects, the cutting needs to go hand in hand with the final look and for this nothing comes close to Resolve, as I have discussed before. A capable NLE that is also the world’s leading grading solution is quite an act to beat, but when you factor in Fusion Connect, it’s in a class of its own.

    Steenbeck: for the magic

    OK, so this doesn’t belong here, but I mention it to make a more general point. To anyone who can still remember those days, there was unquestionably something indefinably special about the process of cutting on a flatbed (or a Moviola). Was it the tactile pleasure of the physical interaction with the medium? The intrinsic slowness of the process that made you think harder about what you were doing? The magic of looking at a beautiful projected image rather than just a bunch of dead pixels? The performative aspect of every cut? The sheer physical labour of it that made you feel more like an honest artisan than a pretentious “artist”? The satisfaction of working with a magnificent piece of mechanical engineering costing more than a luxury car? I think ultimately the appeal was that it was a holistic experience, more than the sum of its parts, a holistic experience that made you feel connected, even if only by a slender thread, to a tradition of film-making stretching back to Griffith and Eisenstein.

    By which I mean that speed and efficiency and modernity are not necessarily the only values it pays to think about.

    Simon Ubsdell
    tokyo productions
    hawaiki

  • Tony West

    March 9, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    [Tim Wilson] “Although I can see why some people would call you crazy for not just paying lip service to “using the right tool for the job” but actually THINKING about the best tool,”

    It really didn’t have anything to do with anybody bing called crazy.

    Somebody made a point, then somebody challenged it and then somebody made a strawman’ish response.

    Then someone else responded by implying that others were not actually “THINKING” about the tools when THEY made THEIR decisions.

    As if THEY can’t even explain their decisions. THEY were not THINKING.

    I think you should rethink that statement.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    March 9, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    [Tony West] “[Simon Ubsdell] “Call me crazy,”

    Everyone stop calling Simon crazy.”

    Yeah!

    Just call him cranky. 🙂

  • Oliver Peters

    March 9, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    [Simon Ubsdell] “FCP X: for the fun.”…”Steenbeck: for the magic”

    Damn! You’ve stumbled upon Apple’s new marketing catch phrase: FCPX – the digital Steenback for the future! Somehow this is a loopback to the “Blade” thread!

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Bill Davis

    March 10, 2017 at 4:11 am

    Well, what I’m NOT doing is taking away their ability to continue working on THEIR OWN VIDEOS if they don’t renew their subscriptions.

    Seems to me as if that’s a pretty HUGE difference in the different subscription models right there.

    ; )

    Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

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