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Prem vs FCPX – Panels
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[Walter Soyka] “I was just trying to provide a clear example of “closeness to the metal.” Apple goes for simplicity, offering you only the most important control over their stabilizer. Adobe goes for flexibility, exposing more properties that affect the mechanics of the stabilizer.”
But they are both good, and endless stabilization dials aren’t going to make me switch to Pr for editing. After more and more days on it, I don’t like it any more. I concur that fiddly is in fact a really good word. It is very fiddly. And I do not miss tracks. I have no less than 15 copied project files from crashes. I did find if I render the timeline before export, it crashes less. I thought I had stopped rendering in an NLE 3 years ago.
I couldn’t find a simple soft edge wipe transition in Pr. Boggled my brain. I tried to get closer to the metal, but it wouldn’t let me, I could only add a border. :P. Found an effect called linear wipe that does what I want, but it’s an effect and not a transition. It’s a huge amount of clicking for a really simple effect.
I do understand what you are saying. Adobe has a different philosophy. I believe that some of the fiddly philosophy is holdover from a bygone era. It would be interesting to see what Adobe would do without having to drag a legacy.
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[Walter Soyka] “As a sidebar… I don’t know enough about the internals of Apple’s stabilizer to know for certain, but it seems to me that Apple’s controls scale the output of the stabilizer, while Adobe’s controls are inputs to the stabilizer.”
Just out of curiosity Walter – I agree that Adobe seems to give you control over the input of the WS (a lot like Syntheyes and Mocha), but why do you say that Apple seems to give you control of the result of the stabilizer? I’ve obviously never used it, so I’m curious to know what you think the difference is.
Shawn
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Why does Ae and Pr crash a lot? This isn’t just me taking, this is all of my colleagues. Perhaps all of our machines are broken, but nothing else crashes like this. “
Oh hell yes. I am on a Premiere job right now and I had to get back to “command-s” mindset after every few edits. Funny how you forget things like that! And forced renders to get a decent playback.
I mean, it may be nice to “be near the metal” if that’s what you want, but if I need to deal with that cluttered, “fiddley” Premiere interface to be there, I’ll pass, thank you.
Just my humble opinion. 😉
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Scott Witthaus] “that cluttered, “fiddley” Premiere interface”
Are we really saying that this:
is more cluttered and fiddly than this?
Or does it not more depend on what panels you choose to have open at one one time in either application?
As has been pointed out before, any FCP X window configuration can easily be recreated in Premiere, so to say that FCP X layouts are preferable seems like a curious claim.
I’m not arguing for the superiority of either application (I like/hate them both) but I can’t see the justification for your comment.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I’m not arguing for the superiority of either application “
Sure. But in your X frame grab, close the inspector and the clip browser. And the timeline index. Closer to the functionality that you show in Premiere?
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter -
[Scott Witthaus] “Closer to the functionality that you show in Premiere?”
Well, yes, of course. But my point is that you have to compare like with like, which I don’t think you are doing.
Which of these two is more cluttered?
I’d say there’s nothing in it, although arguably there is slightly more cruft hanging around the FCP X interface than in Premiere’s.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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But wouldn’t you say that an editor that prefers Premiere might be using the more traditional two-up setting. And would want the track patching panel in there. Something more like this?
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter -
[Scott Witthaus] “But wouldn’t you say that an editor that prefers Premiere might be using the more traditional two-up setting. “
Perhaps. I don’t work that way, but again if we’re comparing like with like we’d have to compare it with this in FCP X:
It’s all down to personal taste, of course, but to my way of thinking filmstrips are the worst kind of visual clutter you can have staring at you. I know a lot of users just love them – I can never cope with them as the give me eyestrain, they don’t provide me with any information that I actually need, and they just look plain messy and distracting.
But again, I come back to my point that if you’re wanting to compare the two looks you have to be fair about exposing the same options.
I think Premiere can be every bit as pared back as FCP X if you choose to work that way. I don’t think Adobe do the application justice with their default layouts, but that doesn’t mean you can’t configure it to something that pleases you and helps you work better. Because you most certainly can.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Scott Witthaus] “Oh hell yes. I am on a Premiere job right now and I had to get back to “command-s” mindset after every few edits. Funny how you forget things like that! And forced renders to get a decent playback.”
I don’t want to minimize the pain you and Jeremy and others are having with Premiere, but for the life of me, I’m struggling to understand what sort of configuration you are running that is causing this. I’ve have experience with literally 20-30 different Macs and some PCs running Premiere over several years and versions. Does it crash, yes; but from my experience only slightly more so than X. Probably across all this time, an average of a crash a week.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Scott Witthaus] “But wouldn’t you say that an editor that prefers Premiere might be using the more traditional two-up setting”
Actually take a look at the “assembly” workspace in PPro. Ideal for limited real estate, like on a laptop. Very FCPX-like.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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