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[Oliver Peters] “If there wasn’t a need, there would be no Automatic Duck tools.”
Huh? Fascinating logic. That’s like saying it’s of dire importance that every FCP X editor know MOTION just because of XSendMotion. Or ProTools because of X2Pro. ????
[Oliver Peters] “These needed to be updated for each on-camera speaker in Photoshop. How does GIMP help me there?”
GIMP? I don’t know. I don’t use it. I use Photo. And, erm, yeah, that’s absolutely no problem whatsoever with Photo. Since when is being able to open, edit and save a PSD somehow some amazing feat?? I’ve been doing it for nearly two years now with Photo and even longer withPixelmator if needed.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Since when is being able to open, edit and save a PSD somehow some amazing feat?”
I was talking about animated PSD files, not static PSD files.
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[Oliver Peters] “I was talking about animated PSD files…”
… er, okaaaaaay. Then… go with Photoshop, yes. Clearly!
Seeing that I have no clue what “animated PSDs” are supposed to be, nor have I in 20something years of PS ever encountered one, don’t know what they’re needed for, what possible benefit, point or purpose they could have that anyone would consider making one and sending it to me… nope, I don’t know what Photo et al would or could do with one. (something tells me I don’t need to care either). So… ya got me! Go for it! PS FTW! ????
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Seeing that I have no clue what “animated PSDs” are supposed to be, nor have I in 20something years of PS ever encountered one…”
That’s funny, because ironically the client providing them was a German company ☺
Photoshop has had the ability to work with motion, including live video, for several versions – at least CS6, I believe. So a lot of things that you might do in After Effects can be done on a simpler level inside of Photoshop. In this case, it was for lower third titles, where a gradient background bar would slide in, the text title would fade up, both hold for :05 and then animate off screen. All with the appropriate alphas. In Premiere, drop a copy of the template onto the timeline and “edit original” to launch Photoshop. Change the text and save. Done.
Of course this could be done in many other ways, but the point is that this is what the client provided and expected the on-site editors to use. You don’t have to be a heavy user of Photoshop, but you do have to have some basic understanding of how it works. Plus of course, you have to have the software.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] ”
Photoshop has had the ability to work with motion, including live video, for several versions – at least CS6, I believe. So a lot of things that you might do in After Effects can be done on a simpler level inside of Photoshop. In this case, it was for lower third titles, where a gradient background bar would slide in, the text title would fade up, both hold for :05 and then animate off screen. All with the appropriate alphas. In Premiere, drop a copy of the template onto the timeline and “edit original” to launch Photoshop. Change the text and save. Done.”As a side note – a lot of designers are VERY intimidated by applications like AE or Motion, so it’s natural for them use the tools that they’re most familiar with. Same with business folks, I can’t tell you how often I get animated graphics in PowerPoint. You can’t go back and ask them to re-do it in AE, so you use what they hand off.
Shawn
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[Walter Soyka] “Apple curates the controls it exposes. FCPX stabilization:
Adobe shares lots of under-the-hood parameters with (at?) you. Pr stabilization:
“You are implying that one works better than the other?
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Well Warp Stabilizer is better than FCPX Stabilisation!
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[Steve Connor] “Well Warp Stabilizer is better than FCPX Stabilisation!”
I think it’s entirely subjective based on your footage.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You are implying that one works better than the other?”
I was just trying to provide a clear example of “closeness to the metal.” Apple goes for simplicity, offering you only the most important control over their stabilizer. Adobe goes for flexibility, exposing more properties that affect the mechanics of the stabilizer.
As a sidebar… I don’t know enough about the internals of Apple’s stabilizer to know for certain, but it seems to me that Apple’s controls scale the output of the stabilizer, while Adobe’s controls are inputs to the stabilizer.
Walter Soyka
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I think it’s entirely subjective based on your footage.”
I completely agree. Neither is better or worse overall. I’ve tested repeatedly. With FCP’s own, Lock and Load and AE’s Warp Stabilizer, and was expecting FCP’s own to be the worst most of the time, also near-sightedly judging by its seeming simplicity, but far from it. In fact in some extreme cases it did decidedly better than either of the others, as well as the other way around in other cases and most of the time it could have been considered a tie. Whereby FCP’s stabilizer is the only one that works in realtime after just the one time analysis (which happens in the background, so yet another huge plus in my book) and doesn’t need re-rendering with every tiny change.
Same goes for other similar effects/plugins btw, such as FCP’s “Flow” transition and e.g. motionVFX’s mMorph. Though in that case FCP’s own did much better in most every case. Haven’t tested myself yet, but have been told PPro’s transition is also worse more often than not. So anyone claiming one particular tool is better than the other across the board, clearly hasn’t actually done the homework.
– RK
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