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David Cherniack
July 16, 2013 at 11:47 pm[Neil Goodman] “Audition ive never used, because it isnt a full fledged DAW as fas i know?”
Much more fully fledged than most people think. It can be used for full out mixing and is a great tool for audio cleanup, levels processing to the latest C.A.L.M. standards, and a general jack of all audio trades, not to mention it’s connect to Premiere. Worthwhile checking out for anyone using the CC suite.
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Jeremy Garchow
July 16, 2013 at 11:54 pm[Neil Goodman] “9 was so long in the tooth, “
Now, 10 is so short in the tooth no one will use it.
What a conundrum.
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Lance Bachelder
July 17, 2013 at 1:13 amWell without tracks FCPX will NEVER become a main stream editing program. Look how nice the tracks look in Logic, how could that be a bad thing? Apple was wrong on thinking Roles would work – they’re just plain stupid and actually more work than tracks and busses.
Lance Bachelder
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Downtown Long Beach, California
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Charlie Austin
July 17, 2013 at 1:15 am[Lance Bachelder] “they’re just plain stupid and actually more work than tracks and busses.”
No, they’re really not.
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Jeremy Garchow
July 17, 2013 at 1:29 amIn my opinion, they aren’t plain stupid, they are just under served.
I really like the freedom of no tracks. I don’t have to think about it. Combined with the magnetism and connections, X is really right up my alley. Going back to tracks, Pr tracks in particular, is much harder and more creatively stifling.
What I do need, though, when it is time to get detailed, is better visual organization.
As with my things in X, the more you front load the organization, the faster it is in the end.
I assign prelim Roles after import. I wish I could do this during import, on components, too.
In track terms, this is almost pre determining how the multichannel will get patched and exported. I like it.
It is so easy to select a huge swath of clips and assign preliminary, but distinct audio Roles.
I also want each Audio Role to have its own area in the timeline, a target or zone, so that when I add a clip, the audio
goes in to those Zones.I also like working with everything collapsed sometimes. It’s clean and unobstrusive.
I just want to see the trackless vision carried out before reverting back to how every other NLE has operated since nearly the beginning of computer based editing.
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Oliver Peters
July 17, 2013 at 1:50 am[David Cherniack] “Much more fully fledged than most people think.”
I would completely agree. Unlike other DAWs, it’s dedicated to audio production and post without trying to also be a music creation tool.
– Oliver
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Oliver Peters
July 17, 2013 at 1:51 am[David Cherniack] “Much more fully fledged than most people think”
Also as an FYI – you can Xto7 to an XML and then bring your audio into Audition. Quite nice.
– Oliver
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Oliver Peters
July 17, 2013 at 2:21 am[Lance Bachelder] “Look how nice the tracks look in Logic, how could that be a bad thing?”
Mmmm…… Tracks….
– Oliver
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Marcus Moore
July 17, 2013 at 2:45 amHard tracks are irreconcilable with the magnetic timeline and connected clips. There’s no point in having tracks where clips need to have freedom of movement to overlap when conflicts arise- if you did this with tracks, they’d have to structural/informational meaning.
A Role is a collection of clips that you choose to group together. Right now, they’re grouped by metadata only- but if that info was applied to the Project timeline, it would allow for organization very much like Stacked Tracks. A Role would be a “track” made up of as many lanes as needed for the overlapping elements. If you need more granular control than DIALOGUE, then create sub-Roles for DIALOGUE-JOE and DIALOGUE-MARY. The important thing here is that these elements continue to be free to maintain their clip connections throughout editing.
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