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OT Logic gets its “X”
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I’ve honestly just stopped arguing this.
The people who are stuck on the “tracks are necessary” concept will never really come around.
That’s how they think. So its important for them. You have to respect that.
The X editor understands that the trackless idea is a necessary part of the entire gestalt of X editing. Its not just about avoiding clip collisions when moving elements horizontally (tho that’s a very nice result!) it’s about building “clusters” that move magnetically – and understanding that unique X tools like the Timeline index interacts with the entire X database to allow you to visually search out and “cluster” timeline elements no matter where they’ve been assigned to by the software collision avoidance process – and let the software reveal their position, rather than just relying on the the visual positional memory that you may or not have – depending on whether you were the original editor who cut the piece.
X is all about the relationships that have been establish between things. NOT about the positions of things in timeline space.
Until that clicks into the editors thinking, either consciously or sub-consciously, it’s a losing battle to try to explain why tracks seem so very much less important to a Storyline editor than they were to a traditional fixed timeline editor.
My 2 cents anyway.
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[Neil Goodman] “f course Pro Tools isnt ever going out of style.”
I would sure like Protools to get rid of that stupid dongle the way MC products have.
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I only disagree that visual organization is unimportant in the Timeline.
I’m cribbing from a lengthy (and long overdue) blog post about Roles here-
Right now, the Project timeline is like the Event browser, but if there were no Keyword Collections. You could tag your footage just as we do now, and you could search for clips by criteria and come up with results- but organizationally it works much better if you can see that structure at work. In the Event Browser, that’s what Keyword Collections (and Smart Collections) are; an enhanced version of Bins based on metadata rules.
If Apple took Role data and applied it the same way in the Timeline, you’d have a similarly organized but free flowing structure. A “Role Collection” if you will.
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[Marcus Moore] “I only disagree that visual organization is unimportant in the Timeline.”
I’m with you. And while I agree with Bill that it one does need to kind of “get it” I also feel it’s a work in progress, It’s not done. And while it is awesome to move *clusters*, sometimes it becomes a cluster*** … such as when you want to move a cluster, but exclude one thing, like a bit of MX that’s part of a larger whole. The ~key is great, now we need a “reverse~” key… keep connections on except for this one thing… *That’s* where beefing up Roles comes in. Spatial grouping of Roles is a necessary enhancement, and Apple Know it. However, it ain’t easy what with multichannel components in clips, with differing Roles. What group does it go in? DIA or FX,? ‘cuz it has both. Maybe user defined groups? That’d be nice. Maybe… who knows? I’m excited to see what they come up with! 🙂
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Thanks for the link, Mathieu. Interesting…
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I completely “get” Roles, but after a couple of years of using FCPX and recently cutting a couple of shows in Premiere Pro CC, I couldn’t believe how nice it was to have a super fast 64 bit FCP Classic style of NLE to work in. Bins, multiple sequences, TRACKS, it really is the best way to do a show.
If you want to round trip shows with FCPX and Logic X, which is what I’d like to do, then Roles will become a temporary “workaround” to get audio into final mix in an orderly fashion. I think that’s extra work and thus “stupid”.
Try sending your show from Premiere CC to Audition CC – you’re show goes to final mix exactly how you had it layed out in the edit. This is the way work should be because if I die or get fired or move to another show the next Editor can just glance at my timeline and see how it’s organized. The Editor doesn’t have to go looking and hope that i used Roles properly…
Lance Bachelder
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Downtown Long Beach, California
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As mentioned on the link from Mathieu there is currently no Share > Media Browser option, but in the settings when sharing as a Master File there is ‘Publish to Media Browser’ in the When Done menu under Settings.
When I tried this the following happened:
– Without prompting me for a location, the MOV was exported to the Shared Items folder inside the project folder. This is also the home of the .plist that tracks all shared files.
– At the same time iTunes launched itself. I’m not sure why because the ‘Publish to Media Browser’ option isn’t in the ‘ADD TO ITUNES’ category.
I was under the impression that Media Browser was a collective name for the Effects Browser, Transitions Browser, etc.
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I really like tracks, as well. I wish Apple had come up with a design that’s somewhere in-between. Maybe tracks with the ability to collapse then into clip-containers. In any case, there is often a need to place a clip in an absolute relationship against time and in a locked vertical hierarchy. That is very difficult to do in X. That’s without any connection or dependency to the clips around it. And no, the “position” mode and slugged secondary storylines is not adequate, IMHO.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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This Share > Media Browser option used to exist in previous versions of FCPX, prior to 10.0.6: https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/fcp_x_share_export_stone.html
And as you say it now exists as “Publish to Media Browser” in the Share > Master File menu.
IMO this option only relates to making videos exported from FCPX show up directly in the Media Browser of any apps that have this shared Media Browser.
As opposed to what the article states I don’t think this has much to do with opening FCPX Projects in LPX, which is done through FCPXML.
Wish I had the time to test all this now. But I’m sure someone else will ((-:
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