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“Open copy in Audio Editor” changes pitch! HELP!
First, some context: I have extensive audio editing experience (back to razor blades and recording tape) with dynamics, EQ, pitch and other audio signal processing. Been working with Audition 1.5 for several years (very proficient software) . I run Vegas Pro 8.1 on an XP Pro x64 system, Quad-core processing, and it’s bug-free. I edit primarily AVCHD footage shot on a Sony HDR-SR12 hi-def camera, which Vegas Pro 8.1 handles well.
Here’s my very weird problem, which I have not been able to find an answer for here at the Cow:
When select an audio waveform in Vegas pro, i.e., right-click and select “Open copy in Audio Editor”, the round-trip editing works flawlessly EXCEPT that the waveform that appears in the editor is lowered in pitch by approximately two semitones. Note that this is before I’ve done any editing at all in the audio editing application (and it’s consistently the same problem whether Audition 1.5, Sound Forge Audio Studio 9.0, or Audigy).As a result of this unwanted pitch change, the version that is sent back into VPro as a new “take” is also out of sync due to changed length, given the approx. 2-semitone change in pitch, but not by an amount of time corresponding to 2 semitones (though it’s close). As a result, I have not been able to do a mirror-image fix (tweak) that restores the pitch and sync perfectly.
I thought it maybe a global “preference” setting in Vegas, butcan’t find anything.
I can’t be the only person having this problem. What am I missing???
Thanks in advance for any clues anyone can offer!
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8 Replies
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What I have noticed is that in the 64 bit version, the copy opens at 44.1 instead of 48k. If you set the file to 48k manually, the problem goes away, but you need to do it each and every time you open a copy in the audio editor.
Fredrick W Keyser
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Thanks, Frederick.
In Vegas, I right-clicked on the audio file, selected “Open copy in Audio Editor” (which is Audition 1.5) and the file is indeed 44.1K. Then, in Audition, I selected Edit / Convert sample type… and did just that, to 48K (and confirmed same in View / Wave Properties…).
When played back, the audio file still has the lower pitch, and when saved and round-tripped back into Vegas as a “take”, and then playing the video/audio clip, the audio is still the lower pitch and out of sync because of the pitch change (as before).
Did I miss your meaning as to how or in which application to change the sample rate of the waveform?
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John,
You shouldn’t have to convert the file — if it came out of the DV file it’s already a 48k file — just set the properties in audition to 48k, edit the file, and then save it as usual. I admit I was current using Sound Forge when I noticed this behavior, but there shouldn’t be any difference with audition. Now, the reason I’m using sound forge is that I can’t the latest version of audition to work in the 64 bit environment at all, so there may be a problem there.
Fredrick W Keyser
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BINGO!
Thanks so much. I used the Edit / Adjust Sample Rate… command instead… and it worked like a charm. After saving in Audition, it round-tripped seamlessly and successfully back into Vegas, I played it therein, and it’s flawless. Having been in the Audition realm for so many years, and being able to do just about anything audio-wise in it, this is a HUGE big deal for me. Thanks again for your willingness to help. It’s what makes The Cow such a great resource!
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Glad I could help.
Fredrick W Keyser
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Frederick – I meant to add that I do have the latest version of Audition at work (v2.0) and actually prefer Audition v1.5 because it’s powerful, clean, hiccup free, very stable and DOES work with XP Pro x64 OS so far without any weirdness. I thought PPro (which I use at work and can vouch for its significant buginess compared to Vegas Pro) was the cat’s meow when it came to round-trip editing, because it’s a real time-saver. I had assumed that Audition could not round-trip, or that Vegas would not work with Audition to do this, but thanks to you I’ve cracked that nut and am thrilled.
Sound Forge is a fine program from what I’ve heard… nevertheless, if you have reason to go back to Audition, suggest trying to find 1.5 on Craigslist or eBay. Well worth it.
Final thought: Adobe’s Soundbooth (at least vCS3) can’t hold a candle to Audition v1.5. SB is less powerful, takes longer to process waveforms, has audibly inferior noise reduction, and for guys like myself who have been doing audio for many years and understand the inner soul of compression, expansion, EQ, limiting, etc., it’s one of the most frustrating pieces of software I’ve ever used. My fear is that Adobe, who IMHO has become the Microsoft of the creative software community, will do away with Audition altogether. A sad day if/when they do.
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I agree that sound booth is useless for any serious audio work — I have been an audition user since I was a beta tester back in the cool edit days. I may have to try dropping back a version and trying it under Vista!
Thanks for the tip!
Fredrick W Keyser
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Well, I haven’t tried it in Vista yet… your point is well taken. But it’s really great under XP Pro x64. Cheers, and thanks again for unlocking this mystery!
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