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On being rude to Randy Ubillos
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[james carey] ” immediately recognized and appreciated their worth. it was easy to ‘grasp’ just by looking at cut&paste methods in word processing for instance and understand how this innovation was going to change my world for the better.”
It’s not the interface that drew the complaint that I heard. It’s doing things like digitizing.
There were editors who had a dozen or more betacams who felt they could be half way through an edit session while the Avid was digitizing 20 hours of BetaSP tapes.
Other editors felt the image quality was so poor that the rough cut would be so inaccurate that after all that time digitizing and cutting would only mean an online in which they were trimming edit after edit now that they were seeing the master tapes.
[james carey] “was going to change my world for the better.”
Yes at some future point when image quality improved and only on projects where it was worth spending hours to digitize and log footage which meant typing in from paper notes that they could be using to edit from already in an online room.
FCPX has potential too. That’s my point. What looks bad today may actually be the future. I think the relational database model will win. It’s far too powerful. This does not mean some other company wont get there and offer a smoother path. It may well be that FCPX is somebody’s EMC to somebody else’s Avid. The relational database model opens many doors that FCPX itself may not have walked through yet. I think Apple’s pushing to get through those doors though.
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Fair enough, and agreed, but it wasn’t because we couldn’t ‘grasp’ why NLE would eventually be better, we certainly could see that in the future NLE would be better. In the meantime we could go on using the tools at hand. I didn’t notice any support or tools being withdrawn from the market place when editdroid or laser edit (whatever it was called) or avid arrived on the scene. But your point is well taken, I will continue to edit with FCP7 or PPro5+ or even AVID MC until such time as FCPx becomes a useable tool, if it does.
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Hey Mike, its not that Macromedia didn’t want it. They were caught in a web of contract and licensing agreements between Microsoft and Truevision that kept them from releasing.
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[james carey] “I didn’t notice any support or tools being withdrawn from the market place when editdroid or laser edit (whatever it was called) or avid arrived on the scene.”
Yes it is odd that Apple pulled FCS2009. This from a company that had transitions that lasted well more than a year from OS9 to OSX and PPC to Intel. Even when they EOLd Shake they kept it available for a considerable amount of time. Even on the consumer side, EOL’d MobileMe is staying alive for another year and subscribers all got free extensions through the end. And although much of iLife is in the App store you can still by the box from the Apple Online store and it includes the EOLd iWeb and iDVD. You can even still get an iPhone 3GS from AT&T for $49 plus contract.
Actually Apple’s handling of FCPX is very much atypical of their history whether it’s transitioning to new technologies or EOLing products and, as I note above, this is both professional and consumer products.
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Its a *tiny* bit hyperbolic to say this, but a lot of people have wondered for a long time what apple would be like without the laser focus of Steve Jobs at the tiller – I think in some way this rollout gives some indication. Its just crazy messy, it’s like a bomb has gone off.
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That’s what I’m talking about – just a bit more control. My issue is that the one size fits all approach isn’t the best fit.
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Here’s my point:
once (10 years ago) Apple needed to offer great softwares to make people (especially pros) buy macs. They make money from hardware not from software. So they bought great pieces of software and made it mac only: Macromedia Final Cut, Nothing Real Shake, Emagic Logic, Silicon Color Final Touch.
Now they are selling macs to the masses and are less interested in investing money to get something they already have. I mean, everybody here is considerating to switch to Avid or Adobe, but i guess no one would ever think of getting it on a windows machine, we would just use another software on our macs. And of course we’ll keep on buying macs.What would you do if Avid releases an aja-compatible media composer? Why use Color if you have DaVinci on the same machine? Motion is a little toy compared to After, or not?
And, exscuse me if i am a little selfish, ten years ago being an offline editor on avid here in italy was paid 50€-hour, now there are pretended editors who learn fc at home and accept work for 10€-hour ( but of course don’t understand the difference from a vhs to a betasp). Look at the signatures here, now we all are online editor, colorist and post consultant.
Pros need pro-softwares. I dont need hundreds of templates when i cannot use my sapphire plugins on my machine. Im tired of explaining to my customers why their logo on an alpha-channel quicktime movie doesn’t display correctly on my 13k€ barco display
My only complaint is that i will admit to any avid fanatic i know, that they were right
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Motion is a little toy compared to After, or not?
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I’ve been using motion for very large projects, and it becomes slow and instable. The same things on AE work flawless. I can send you both projects to’ try yourself. So its not a cliche.
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I think Craig has a lot worthy to say in his analysis.
However, I don’t think the Esperanto thing is all that close on point.
I see it more as the computer industry acknowledging that the pervious books, written in LATIN are nearing the end of their useful life.
A lot of people at the top of society are trained in Latin – and those monks and educated folk are angry to see that their skill set is looking pretty dated in the face of the inroads that Spanish, Dutch and whatever are making. Now we see a new language emerging. They’re not asking it to be Esperanto and trying to unite whole world into a common language base – They’re looking at creating something more like English, I think – a somewhat more modern way to arrange words – with links to the past languages – but that moves the root language structures into something more modern.
But gutting the old sputtering code base of FCP – while critical to a lot of us here – ignores the fact that what’s really changing is modern computer engineering and silicone design. THAT is what’s pushing a lot of the re-write of FCP. Not the interface. It’s the core that they blew up. They actually left a LOT of the interface design intact – while concentrating in the first iteration on showing what the brand new CORE could do well.
YOU may want to cling to the LATIN. I see the value of letting it evolve into something better.
Simple as that.
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