Old dogs new tricks

[Steve Connor]

[Andrew Kimery] “But is it professional enough? ;)”

Great new name for the forum 😉

[Walter Soyka]

[Andrew Kimery] “But is it professional enough? ;)”

This guy doesn’t seem to think so… 🙂

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Walter Soyka
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[Andrew Kimery]

[Walter Soyka] “This guy doesn’t seem to think so… :)”

Is that our Punxsutawney Phil?

[Scott Witthaus]

[Walter Soyka] “but when’s the last time we had a discussion that hinged on the differences between, say, Pr/Ae and Smoke?”

Well, perhaps if you dropped the X moniker, Smoke and Premiere/Ae would feel more welcome to join “the debate” (insert evil laughing sound effects here). It just seems a bit silly, IMHO, three years on we are talking about “The Debate” (more evil laughing)….

Tim – what do you think? “The NLE Open Debate Forum”? There for those folks who like to ‘kvetch’.

😉

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Scott Witthaus] “Yes, it is. X is part of the professional conversation. Many of use it everyday and bill the same rate we did on Avid, Premiere or Legacy (actually a bit more in some cases). Legacy is dead and there are other options for those who don’t want to switch. There is no debate, except within one’s own mind on what product to use for what job. “

There is still a debate, especially when other colleagues I talk to, including some that teach or have access to a much younger generation of digital film and video professionals, say that they don’t see much of an X uptake.

I’ve always known that X could be used professionally, even when X was an absolute dog of an interface when it was first released, but my opinion doesn’t trump what other people think. The debate is still somewhat healthy, or perhaps the debate has changed to, is FCPX the right tool or not? I still don’t think it’s worthy of a forum name change, which is the point of this conversation. Ironically, we are talking about if X is worthy or not, in this conversation about changing the forum name to something that is less FCPX centric.

I am an X user. I am going to use it in the foreseeable future, made a fairly sizable investment in a new Apple and Thunderbolt infrastructure retool, and use X every single day. I am comfortable with the choices we have made as a business, but that still doesn’t mean the X or not debate is over in the broader sense of all the things that this forum entails.

[Scott Witthaus] “Avid Media Composer: Pay How Much a Year for THAT? – The Debate

or

Premiere Pro: You Call That an Interface? – The Debate
“

But you see, this forum still maintains an FCPX frame of reference. I know I talked about that in the previous post, but in your examples above, if you take away the FCPX frame of reference, the forum will turn in to what you have listed. You could ask those questions, right here, without changing the name of the forum, and get some solid answers from people who use those NLEs and subsequent services.

If you make this a Pr forum, or an Avid forum (of which there are multiple here on the COW) then what does that do as an FCPX user who wants to participate in the debate? Perhaps a brand new forum is in order? How do you get people to participate and what is the frame of reference?

[Dennis Radeke]

[Scott Witthaus] “the lurking Adobe guys….”

I’m sorry you find disdain for having various Adobe folks at Creative Cow as a whole including this forum offering to help out and join the conversation. You’re entitled to that opinion of course, but for the record, we don’t ‘lurk’ – we ‘participate’. I wonder what you would say if I was an Apple employee here. Food for thought.

[Oliver Peters]

Dennis, I’m not sure Scott meant that to be derogatory in any way. Regardless, your presence (along with others like Kevin and Todd) is very much appreciated, as many of us here are NLE-ambidexterous by necessity. Thanks for joining in.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Steve Connor]

[Oliver Peters] “Dennis, I’m not sure Scott meant that to be derogatory in any way. Regardless, your presence (along with others like Kevin and Todd) is very much appreciated, as many of us here are NLE-ambidexterous by necessity. Thanks for joining in.
“

Agreed, I did’t read anything negative into that either, we all “lurk” on here as do people from Apple no doubt.

[Scott Witthaus]

[Dennis Radeke] “I’m sorry you find disdain for having various Adobe folks at Creative Cow as a whole including this forum offering to help out and join the conversation.”

Dennis –

No disrespect intended. I find it interesting and enlightening. But just another good reason to make this more inclusive than an “X DEBATE” forum.

Scott

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Scott Witthaus]

[Jeremy Garchow] “If you make this a Pr forum, or an Avid forum (of which there are multiple here on the COW) then what does that do as an FCPX user who wants to participate in the debate?”

Um, the FCPX user simply posts, like Avid and Premiere folks to here. What’s the difference?

We will have to agree to disagree. There is no debate anymore. Whatever debate there was is over.

[Jeremy Garchow] “Perhaps a brand new forum is in order? “

To do what, debate? Debate what?

Or just change the title of this forum.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter