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More Bricklayers and Sculptors from Oliver and Simon
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[Oliver Peters] “Except that is breaks down when you need to make and retain direct comparisons.”
So, Auditions does not work for you here? If I were doing that, I would load the hero takes into an audition and play them back that way. Even in Avid and Legacy I would use subclips and bins for my material. Note, back in those “legacy days” I was doing mainly 30 second film spots so the footage was not overwhelming.
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Scott Witthaus
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[Oliver Peters] “Except that is breaks down when you need to make and retain direct comparisons.”
Certainly not the way I use them.
[Oliver Peters] “By sticking with the browser and being dependent on rejects/favorites, you are forced to reject/hide good alternate takes if you only want to see the “hero” take for each. If not, you always end up looking through all of the good options when you only want one.”
Then you’re simply using them wrong if you ask me. You can filter by favorites only and you can even tag individual favorites beyond that to whittle matters down even further. I don’t see how that doesn’t do exactly what it is you describe without a single clip hitting the timeline. If you do it right that is.
[Oliver Peters] “OTOH, if you use stringouts, you can save a version with all the good takes, dupe the sequence, and then cut down the sequence to just one good option of each.”
And, for me, that’s exactly where e.g. AUDITIONS come into play, if needed. But then I can for example see every Scene 2 line X, Y or Z in one fell swoop if I do my homework. Again, without a single clip hitting the timeline. And with one click I can call up any and all of said lines or takes for whomever wants to see them as well.
[Oliver Peters] “One issue with browser organization and FCPX’s ability to play through the visible clips is that you always see them in the sorting order of the browser. Clip 1, then 2, then 3, and so on.”
Again, there are easy ways around that, if you know how and that’s what you need. There are various methods of filtering by any given criteria. By NAME is just one of MANY. No flipping through endless “selects” timelines etc. needed. Certainly no “pancaking”.
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[Tony West] “You could just change the number. IMG_4434 becomes IMG_ 4435”
Wait – you guys are trying to sell me on how great the browser organization is, but yet you are willing to mess it all up as a workaround?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Robin S. Kurz] “You can filter by favorites only and you can even tag individual favorites beyond that to whittle matters down even further. I don’t see how that doesn’t do exactly what it is you describe without a single clip hitting the timeline.”
So you spend 90% of your time messing around with browser organization instead of actually editing.
[Robin S. Kurz] “And, for me, that’s exactly where e.g. AUDITIONS come into play, if needed”
Too much effort to prep for a relatively easy need.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Certainly no “pancaking””
Too bad. It would make X better, just like 7 used to be ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Scott Witthaus] “So, Auditions does not work for you here? If I were doing that, I would load the hero takes into an audition and play them back that way”
As stated in other responses, too much to mess with. Takes you away from actually editing, just in prepping the auditions. Auditions are great for editors who can’t make a decision. ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Oliver Peters So you spend 90% of your time messing around with browser organization instead of actually editing.
Because of the organizing done up front, you are editing as you place those choices in the timeline as you go. And yes you can do precise edits in the browser unlike what Simon said.
Oh well, we all edit differently and like what we like.
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I’m sure you guys will hear from me a some point. 😉
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[Oliver Peters] “Wait – you guys are trying to sell me on how great the browser organization is, but yet you are willing to mess it all up as a workaround?”
It’s not messing it up at all and it’s not a work around. It’s just a tit for tat for what I feel is a made up problem.
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I guess stringouts is a nice workaround in PP since organizing in the project pane using bins is well….not that great.
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[Oliver Peters] ” Auditions are great for editors who can’t make a decision.”
I see it as for editors who make the best decisions…. 😉
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter
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