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More Bricklayers and Sculptors from Oliver and Simon
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I would think have all those tabs of sequences would get confusing after awhile. As far as tagging goes, I would rather have organized my footage in case the client comes in and wants to see a certain part of the interview or something and for me as well to find what I need faster than trying to find it in 15 or so sequences. Clicking on a keyword or folder with keywords in it for an interview with all its information can then easily be put in the timeline, and then rearranged in the actual edit.
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Where I find the browser and keywords to be very valuable is in the early stages. I edit lacrosse videos and the goal is to shrink 80 minutes to 4 minutes. With the clips in the browser, I can make rough selects of things of interest, for example, goals, hits, scoreboard, broll, etc which may be useful. Then using a smart collection to select keyworded sections, I can dump these into the time line. In one pass, I have gone from 80 minutes to 10 minutes. After that, the editing is more like Simon describes. Cutting away pieces, finding a rhythm and a story. In the days of FCP7, it was into a timeline and pairing down, which was very slow because it took forever to go through 80 minutes worth of stuff and time consuming to cut out all the useless parts.
The other thing that is useful about keywording to me, is six months later I can come back and make a new video with highlights only and easily combine this with other games in the same library, by just selecting the appropriate keywords.
So I agree with his point about working in the timeline as the edit comes together, but not so much as using early stringouts and I do miss the ability to have several sequences to slide back and fourth easily. Granted, this is a very different type of edit than a feature film.
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I would think have all those tabs of sequences would get confusing after awhile. As far as tagging goes, I would rather have organized my footage in case the client comes in and wants to see a certain part of the interview or something and for me as well to find what I need faster than trying to find it in 15 or so sequences. Clicking on a keyword or folder with keywords in it for an interview with all its information can then easily be put in the timeline, and then rearranged in the actual edit. You can add clips as you go
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OliverHarder to do that when cut & paste is your main option. What are you referring to by saying “cut and paste”?
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[Brian Seegmiller] “I would think have all those tabs of sequences would get confusing after awhile. As far as tagging goes, I would rather have organized my footage in case the client comes in and wants to see a certain part of the interview or something and for me as well to find what I need faster than trying to find it in 15 or so sequences.”
I mainly use sequences for organization and with the pancake method (broll and interview sequences on top, editing sequences on bottom) it’s pretty straight forward to keep it organized. With regards to finding parts of interviews, I place all my interviews into their sequences and drop markers w/notes at the beginning of questions and answers, and whenever I think something very worthwhile is said. That way I can just open up the Marker window and read my notes (which are searchable). I can also export the Mark window into an spreadsheet if I want to print out a hard copy. Of course I try to work w/transcripts whenever possible so that usually negates me having to mark up things in the NLE.
I’m just not starting to use X, so I don’t have a solid enough reference yet to really do a point to point comparison based on experience.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “What are you referring to by saying “cut and paste”?”
I actually meant copy and paste. Basically to get material from one section of a project (sequence) over into another, while going back and forth through the timeline history. The alternate is to nest sequences, which I don’t like either. Essentially you are using a sequence as a source to edit into another sequence.
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Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Brian Seegmiller] ” I would rather have organized my footage in case the client comes in and wants to see a certain part of the interview or something and for me”
I’d be curious how you would do that on an interview that’s 35-90 minutes running (unedited), two-three cameras and double system sound.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Brian Seegmiller] “I would rather have organized my footage in case the client comes in and wants to see a certain part of the interview or something”
With the introduction of digital anarchy’s plugin Transcriptive, the need to even organize interviews will be reduced. I’ve tried the plugin out and it has a very high accuracy rate and as soon as an interview is transcribed through the plugin you can do a text search and click on a word and the source playhead matches. I will still stringout interviews but I plan on using the transcription plugin to do most of the work.
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I would create a multicam and then use keywords, markers, favorites and or notes. Simple.
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That’s what I thought you meant.
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