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Media Manager was NOT fixed in 5.02
Just tried this out with 5.02 for the first time. The didn’t fix it. I’m furious. This is so bad. It’s almost “time to go back to Media 100” type of bad (ok, maybe not THAT bad).
I have a project with eight hours of source footage but the whole project is about 15 minutes. The media itself has already been trashed and all the clips are offline. Because of this, now I’m screwed. There is NO WAY to recover just the 15 minutes w/ or w/o handles. Because the footage is already offline, I HAVE to recapture the entire eight hours.
It seems Final Cut 5 loses it’s brain and turns stupid once the media has gone offline. Because the actual media itself is gone, it won’t treat the clips normally so a typical workflow ceases to function properly. I can’t make independent clips, or subclips from them. Dragging into another project doesn’t work. Exporting an XML and re-importing it doesn’t work. In Media Manager, whether I try copy, recompress, or create offline (what’s supposed to work), checking “Deleting unused media” and leaving “include master clips” doesn’t do jack s&*t.
This is totally uacceptable.
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thrash preferences first and then use media manager with “crete offline”. then just check “delete unused media”. when it will open new project delete masterclip bin. right click on sequence and select “make sequence clip independent” and try recapturing.
hope for the best
cheers
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Dude you are so strange.
If FCP couldn’t work with projects where the media was offline
none of us could do an uprez. None of us could work on a
project today, delete the media to make room for new projects
then six months later reopen the old project because
the client want so change a shot or a super, and then
redigitize…oh I mean re-capture.Below is a link that will help you. But you need to relax.
Media Manager is the worst part of FCP, I agree.
It’s far from AVID-like. But FCP keeps getting better
and better. Hopefully they will get to it soon.
The log and capture situation is also very comsumerish.
But I digress. The new Multicam is fantastic. I just did a
4 camera edit with it, where I used to use only AVID
Media Composer for multicam, and I couldn’t be happier.I’ve used the below link info for all my uprezes. It’s for 4.1 and 4.5,
but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with 5.0.2, although
my first uprez with the new version isn’t until the end of this week.https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/basic_onlining_jordan.html
Dan
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Well, actually, he’s right. The strange new “feature” of 5.02 is that is does not detete unused media when you choose to delete unused media.
I have more on that in this post:
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=8&postid=857511
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The delete unused media may be a feature you like.
And if you do, that cool.
But it has nothing to do with uprez:
You have an offline show at DV.
You want a 10 bit uncompressed show.
You use the instructions in the link I posted.
Then if you want, go to your media drive and delete
the DV media.
Done.I don’t mean to take lightly your MM experiences.
I’ve had them as well. MM is not good. AVID is best.
But after doing six uprezes since January I now see
what MM can do and what it can’t.
Stillframes are fine.
Color correction is fine.
Titles (title 3d) are fine, but problematic.
Extensive keyframe effects are trouble.So my offlines are not the finished product anymore.
They are close, but then I do the uprez and finish
from there.Dan
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I am with you Sean. MM is broken in 5. It WILL not deleted unused media for you. I’ve been forced into exporting EDL’s to get my onlines done.
AND IT WORKED FINE IN 4.5 which is the infuriating part.
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“The delete unused media may be a feature you like. And if you do, that cool. But it has nothing to do with uprez: You have an offline show at DV. You want a 10 bit uncompressed show. You use the instructions in the link I posted.”
Actually, it’s #3 on the ken stone instructions you posted 🙂 You have to choose it if you don’t want the full extents of the clips, but only the portions that are used in your edit.
Anyway, I’m finding scattered complaints around now that, for some reason, delete unused media indeed is not working right in 5.02. If in addition to consolodation you are wanting to uprez your show (like the user in this thread), that could mean many, many GB of extra unnecessary 10 bit SDI media.
But Aye me, we’re all in the same boat anyway, right? You and I and everybody will be a LOT happier when Apple finally takes this database/linking/MM problem seriously. MM is the ONE feature that is consistenly cited as the reason to use AVID. (And honestly, though I hugely prefer FCP for EVERYTHING, when I am in control of a complex offline to be onlined by somebody else, $$ and all quickly, I suck up and use my Avid. Fast flow and no surprises that I can’t afford. A DNA helps with realtime stuff too.)
Cheers!
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So, you are saying FCP 5.0.2, when you take a DV
sequence that’s put in a new project and asked to now recapture
the media at 10 bit uncompressed, is not able to do that?
The very essence of uprez is now not working in FCP5.0.2, like it did in 4.5 ?I can delete my own media. That is not useful to me.
But recapturing only my sequence footage at higher rez, that HAS to be
a part of my workflow. It worked in 4.5. My first uprez with 5.0.2
wasn’t scheduled until the end of this week.
I’m I in for trouble?Dan
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Actually, I had the opposite experience in terms of errors:
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=8&postid=857511Media management of the demo went from many errors in 4.5 to only one in 5. (If it were up to Avid, it would go from one error to none 🙂 But…. in FCP5 I got to “enjoy” that new “[don’t] delete unused media” benefit. Actually, it did delete some, just a little bit. Unchecked — I had a total of 16GB. Checked I get 14GB. However, FCP4.5 checked gave me only 4GB (albiet, of garbage), which would be about the correct size. In the FCP5 MM, looking at the media on disk, indeed, tiny bits of some had been slightly shaved.
I’m guessing this is all related to some last minute kludge on Apple’s part to finally fix linking problems in FCP…. but…. in some or even many conditions it has the unfortunate side-effect of erroring WAY on the side of retaining extra extents on clips. That’s my bet.
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You’re in for trouble. It WON’T delete unused media for your uprez. You’ll be digitizing 8 hours of media at 10bit for a :30 commercial………
luckily for me, we tend to work on projects with very few speed ramps or FCP effects (all EFX work done in Shake, etc…). So exporting and importing an EDL has been very effective for me. And in some cases I found an EDL worked MUCH better with speed changes than either XML or Media Mangler.
This is a very major oversight, IMHO. Especially since it worked in 4.5.
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Sean, question — do you have a lot of speed changes? If so, then word I heard is the bird. As I just learned (and as I predicted earlier in this thread), the “[let’s not] delete unused media” bug seems to be the result of a temporary fix on the part of Apple to lesson media management woes. FCP cannot correctly translate a speed change IF the extent of its media file is changed by MM (at least from in-point on to the end, depending?). Therefore, the MM plays it safe by keeping ALL of the media of speed changed clips. In my case, where I used just a few seconds of video (in slow motion), the MM then kept pretty much the entire media file of many GB’s size. Hence, I got MM reduction for the entire show from 16 GB down to 14 GB instead of down to 3 or 4 GB. At least I got a lot fewer errors (only one, down from untold many in FCP4.5… and yes, the one error was still a speed change) — so we know that Apple’s kludge is good for something!
THE WORK AROUND (not pretty if you’ve got a big show with lots of speed changes): Identify, export and re-import all of your speed changed clips as new media, and edit those in. Then do MM. Good luck!
PLEASE LET ME / THIS FORUM KNOW IF THIS WORK AROUND SEEMS TO BE THE FULL ANSWER. DOES IT SOLVE THE “[LET’S NOT] DELETE UNUSED” PROBLEM IN EVERY CASE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE? I’ll be testing it too. Thank you!!!
From the other post on this topic:
“Time remapping requires you to capture all the material for that piece of media. The way time remapping works is you select a frame number and position it at different frame number in the clip. Because this is based on the whole piece of media you can’t change the number of frames in the media or the time remap will kludge. That’s why you’re getting so little file size reduction when you MM. This was changed in v5 because speed was such a mess in media manager in earlier versions. It’s not a great solution, but it’s the only one they’ve come up with.”
Discussed in full here:
Cheers!!!
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