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lively discussion at John Nack’s blog.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I don’t get this – why are you talking about software EOL? The issue is rental vs purchase?”
I guess if you are buying software, you pay for it, right?
You said that you are unsure if you want to rent your software in perpetuity, and you also said that if it were cheaper you’d feel better about it even if you get less software.
Since you are paying for software, what are you worried about? The price?
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[Herb Sevush] “of course there is a difference. Time is the difference. When Apple pulled the plug on FCP7 or when Discreet pulled the plug on *edit I had years to make a transition at no extra cost to me. With the cloud, if Adobe goes in a different direction you will have to maintain monthly payments as you make your transition if you want access to old projects. The idea of paying monthly for something you don’t want until you’ve XML’d every last project in you library is not a pleasant one.
Loosing access to old projects is one of the things that made so many people apoplectic when Apple pulled it 2 years ago and that has sensitized many editors about the possibility of doing it again.
There is no need for Adobe to go this route, they can charge a reasonable premium for perpetual licenses to cover any additional costs — if the cloud idea is so good it will prove itself over time.”
It’s true, it will fail or succeed. What we don’t know (and I keep having to say this) is what the terms are.
Do we know that Adobe will cut all access to the software off?
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[Herb Sevush] “The idea of paying monthly for something you don’t want until you’ve XML’d every last project in you library is not a pleasant one. Loosing access to old projects is one of the things that made so many people apoplectic when Apple pulled it 2 years ago and that has sensitized many editors about the possibility of doing it again.”
I’d suggest that outputting master deliverables and XML together is a new best practice.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You said that you are unsure if you want to rent your software in perpetuity, and you also said that if it were cheaper you’d feel better about it even if you get less software.
Since you are paying for software, what are you worried about? The price?
“wait – what are you talking about?
I just said that currently I will expect to pay 350 pounds sterling to upgrade my suite, or… 600 pounds (ignoring 1st year promo) to go hire purchase rental on a master suite that has a limited value proposition to me – not big on dreamweaver, not doing print.
Someone had pointed out that CC was all or nothing, and that a prod. premium equivalent might make sense, less apps you don’t use, no 250 pound overhead beyond the upgrade cost of premium currently – ie: around 30 quid a month.
So thats a bit more like it, but basically, given the choice between upgrading my perpetual license and going on hire purchase for around the same money, I’m going to want to upgrade my perpetual license. that make sense to you?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Walter Soyka] “I’d suggest that outputting master deliverables and XML together is a new best practice.”
Agreed, no matter what the software.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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FUD?
We don’t know about purchase options yet. whether it’s possible to purchase , and if it is, whether it’s equitable which raises the question. Is it a fair deal?
It’s a business model.
It reverses the ‘customer is king’ equation.
The Creative Cloud is superb idea for Adobe if enough people take up the offer, and if its mandatory I guess they’ll hit their targets.
And for the customer? I don’t think its such a great idea. You are basically going to be paying over and over for the same product once you’ve been a member for 2 or 3 years.
And if you have a bad patch, a couple of bad months, you can count on the Creative Cloud being turned off because I doubt you will be able to get any concession from them, and your bank will not be meeting standing orders. If all your business is dependent on this software you won’t be able to work your way out of it and I very much doubt that the projects you’ve been working on will be backward compatible to versions of software you have in your cupboard.
If Apple were ever to try this stunt I’d switch immediately.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Do we know that Adobe will cut all access to the software off?”
Do you mean if you stop payment? then Adobe says quite clearly they will cut off all access until you re-up. For now there is no penalty to re-up, just start a new monthly subscription – but of course that could change in the future – there’s that pesky “trust” issue again.
If it’s a program that they want to EOL then they will make a perpetual final copy available.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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There’s another concern in all of this. That’s the issue of “nickel & dime”. Not specifically with Adobe, but overall. They aren’t the only ones looking at subscription models. When you start to factor in all of the services a small business uses and have them all go to a monthly subscription, it really starts to add up. Many small companies upgrade or add features/plug-ins/gear when they have a job come in that pays for it. If you start shelling out several hundred a month (Adobe + others), it starts to look very unattractive to add any more of these than absolutely necessary.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Another question. What happens to your software activation when Adobe kills an application? For example, Soundbooth is no longer available, yet it is the only application that can interpret the sound scores sold as part of the package. Had it been EOL’ed under CC, would you still be able to use it a year later, even if you are on an active subscription?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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aye, they actually do have a specific commitment to release final version apps in the case of EOL.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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