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Less a showdown, more a decision – Phillip Bloom outlines his reasoning for choosing PPro 6.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “you would pick a company, utterly focused on tablets, a slightly smaller tablet, phones, music sales, media sales, televisions(?), television boxes, laptops and the retail sales for all these things within its retail stores numbering in the hundreds –
– over a company of thirty years standing that owes its entire existence, uninterrupted, to the patronage of print design, media, online and video editing professionals?”Awww, see, now you’re taking it personally 😉 You asked for a choice, so I gave you an answer. Reality is that the question sets up a false choice. I don’t view it as A or A. If I don’t like the way FCP X is headed, I go with Avid. Or heck, maybe in three years we’ll all be running Windows 8 and Lightworks.
As a point of reference, I know some of the folks on the inside of most of these companies and they all want to deliver great products. They also understand our needs a lot better than many here give them credit for. The fact that ProApps exists at all tells me there’s a commitment there. I also see that what Adobe has done with Premiere and the Creative Cloud is a way of spreading out the risk. Their big money is certainly not in these apps. The bottom line is that neither company lives or dies by the success of their video editing software.
So does history repeats itself? No idea, but I do get the sense that Apple is playing the long game on this one.
– Oliver
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Frankly, I’m shocked. Well, not really. You’ve really been running FCX through the paces, so I should have seen the writing on the wall there. So, I guess not shocked. FCX is perfect for many many things, and might be just what you need for your workflows.
Personally, I like companies that focus on my needs. I thought the ProApps division did at one time, but they dismissed quite a bit of my needs, as we are the 2%. So I will go where they still care about the 2%. And still realize that tape does indeed exist.
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[Oliver Peters] “Awww, see, now you’re taking it personally”
hah – sure, I play a heartfealt instrument – and that by design.
but oliver, i find it near impossible to believe that you cannot form a basic value judgement in this situation.
FCPX is near mangled as a concept and completely unused by people who are paid or pay for editing.
Again, and read it closer – FCPX is near statistically unused by people who pay or are paid for the practise of editing. I am comfortable on this point in my hemisphere.
– and this is not a new well put together up and comer in 1999,
it is 2012 – and FCPX is a quite the joke: is it primary? secondary? how do roles work? who came up with this stuff? how do connected clips work? when are the connections made? how do I change the connections? Why did the editing system begin to assert child parent connection in the first place? why is the colour corrector square? why am I parroting meaningless tosh?
Why did apple glom reductive metaphors on top of the essential functions of editing and call it FCP?
Why did they pour consumer imovie gloop over the horribly tricky and fidgety craft of editing? and in the process burning out tracks, necessary conflicts – the lot.
Why could apple not make two products? why take us all to moron town? Is that the apple crossroads?
Oliver and here I mean this: You are actually willing to go with this mess? Seriously? you go with this stuff?
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[Shane Ross] “Frankly, I’m shocked. Well, not really. You’ve really been running FCX through the paces, so I should have seen the writing on the wall there. So, I guess not shocked. FCX is perfect for many many things, and might be just what you need for your workflows.”
I’ve cut every project for the last few months using X. The exception has been a few legacy 7 projects. Most of these have been long-form corporate pieces or regional commercial campaigns shot with Alexa, Sony F3, RED, C300 and/or HDSLRs. Aside from cutting in X, these jobs have involved extensive mixing and grading within the application, as well as sending files out to ProTools mixers and Baselight colorists. So, obviously I have a bit more of a comfort factor with it.
I don’t like everything. I wish it had tracks. I wish audio editing and mixing were better. Right now I’m not sure I’d want to cut feature on it, but I certainly wouldn’t count it out either. I’m waiting for Smoke to settle in with a final, release version. That has interest for me, because I see pretty good synergy with FCP X, Smoke and Resolve.
[Shane Ross] “I thought the ProApps division did at one time, but they dismissed quite a bit of my needs,”
And Avid and Adobe haven’t ?! Do you REALLY like the Title Tool? Is that “cutting edge”? How about the mediocre color correction tools in Symphony or the long-in-the-tooth effects controls?
– Oliver
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[Oliver Peters] “Do you REALLY like the Title Tool? Is that “cutting edge”?”
Oh, snap…
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Again, and read it closer – FCPX is near statistically unused by people who pay or are paid for the practise of editing. I am comfortable on this point in my hemisphere.”
I don’t believe you really have anything other than personal, anecdotal info to go on. In any case, I believe that Apple is in a 5-year long rebuilding mode. That’s just me reading the tea leaves. Their push is through education and then upward. Remember that FCP “legacy” was viewed as a joke by most “pros” until around FCP 3.0.
But in the end, I don’t care. I have MC, FCP7, PProCS6 on my machine. I know those tools. If I need them, I can use them. Do they really inspire me anymore? Not really. For now, Apple is lacking that “Cold Mountain” moment for FCP X, but it will come.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “Why did apple glom reductive metaphors on top of the essential functions of editing and call it FCP?”
I’m not sure everyone agrees with you on that. Personally I like about half of what they’ve done, but for now, that half is good enough to keep me interested. That portion is primarily the organizational tools and features like skimming. I can do things like play QT refs of the BMCC 2.5K stills in real-time. Not possible in PPro or FCP7. I can run ALEXA ProRes4444 files with unrendered LUT filters in real-time without the system crashing. No LUTs available for PPro or MC and this will routinely crash FCP7.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “You are actually willing to go with this mess?”
Sure. For instance, I do a lot of color correction inside an NLE. I feel that I have already been able to do better grades with X (in spite of the wonky color board) than I have in Symphony, Media Composer, FCP 7, etc. There’s no workflow yet, but actual image quality and the result of the grade is better.
For me, the next update will be important. I think it will also be a turning point for the industry. Either more interest in X or completing the turn away.
– Oliver
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[Oliver Peters] “Do you REALLY like the Title Tool? Is that “cutting edge”?”
I wasn’t impressed with the title tool when I first looked at it, but lately I’ve found it pretty useful — only not for titles. The pen and and various shape tools are a pretty handy way to generate custom mattes.
For titling, I’ve been using Titler Pro from NewBlueFX. It’s very powerful and works on all platforms. I really like it. Free demo if you want to check it out.
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[David Lawrence] “I wasn’t impressed with the title tool when I first looked at it, but lately I’ve found it pretty useful — only not for titles. The pen and and various shape tools are a pretty handy way to generate custom mattes.”
I was talking about Avid’s Title Tool. Were you referring to Adobe’s? If so, it’s leaps and bounds ahead of Avid’s. There is Avid Marquee, too, which not that many editors use, from what I can tell. It’s pretty unintuitive.
– Oliver
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if the world economy falls, and the cow crumbles, I will spend the last of my savings to run and host this forum, just so I can occasionally come back and kick FCPX in the shins. I would plan on doing this until retirement age.
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