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Less a showdown, more a decision – Phillip Bloom outlines his reasoning for choosing PPro 6.
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[Mark Dobson] “but at the end of day it can work really well and produces sparklingly good results”
But that’s the thing…so can every other NLE out there.
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[Gary Huff] “[Mark Dobson] “but at the end of day it can work really well and produces sparklingly good results”
But that’s the thing…so can every other NLE out there.”
Well, so people say! I’ve only been able to compare FCPX with FCP7
But as you point out they all produce great results. It’s just what you get used to.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I say this with all due respect to Adobe as they are trying, but interchange needs a lot of help.”
There’s the rub. Collaborative workflows are weak outside of the Adobe ecosystem. Heck, even weak within. XMLs and AAFs are often wrong or at least don’t work whereas FCP 7 XMLs and Avid AAFs do work as expected. The big wrinkle is Adobe’s move towards native media mixed on the same timeline. Great as long as every other app work the same way and can track media in the same manner when TC is absence. That’s why there’s no real Premiere-SpeedGrade roundtrip yet. I’ve had EDL problems in the past as well. Audio track configuration still seems unnecessarily difficult for now, compared with FCP 7, FCP X or Avid. Double-system sound workflows are still very problematic.
The real issue is sharing sequences between editors. Import a sequence from Editors A’s project into Editor B’s and you get duplicate master clips that cannot be removed, even if both editors already have identical master clips to start with.
So far these are deal-breakers for me that have me staying in the X/7/MC camp.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Mark Dobson] ” It’s just what you get used to.”
It’s not always that subjective. Some software simply has better tools for certain workflows. There are certain jobs that PPro is simply not capable of handling efficiently, and that goes true for almost everything out there. I’d say that Avid is probably the software with the fewest limitations, and I say that as someone who has been avoiding it for 15 years.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Thanks Jeremy for the advice. Flat files are not what I want. I am also interested in Speed grade as part of some workflows so yes I am backing Adobe to develop and so far I am encouraged by the fact that Wes is part of the team and developments like Adobe Anywhere show a workflow direction that suits me.
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[Shane Ross] “If he’s going to tell us what editing app he’s going to use and endorse…let me figure out what camera I think is the best option and endorse it.”
come on – I love the bloom. His Blackmagic camera review was a sweet watch, and he strikes you as a natural grok for editing. Sky and beyond, he’s been swimming in the stuff for years. its exposure largely isn’t it?
my point is that I share, and in viewing it, shared his basic perception of the software – it feels, in the timeline particularly, and in the bins, and in the surrounding software, that adobe have, in a highly compressed competitive scenario, produced a working fundamental grasp of current editing. I buy PPro 6 – I liked it so much I bought the suite, said remington. don’t ask me what I was doing before.
Adobe thought hard here, they produced jkl trimming that – as far as I get it, and its nice to play with – matches a key strength of avid, but more than that – I simply buy that adobe are in no way messing around here. they view this as a brass ring moment, and we are their audience. their only audience.
Back when this was a true rant town, I said that it is better that there be three competitors rather than two. Bottom line is that it was really important that
Adobe internalise the opportunity and produce a workable way forward.Apple are in some sense trying to refashion their offering, but it is simply too weird. It’s a programmer’s esperanto of editing, filled with tags, primary storylines, the occasional need to evacuate all editing to the secondary, a square colour corrector – its just a ludicrous editing system. Its a bomb site.
given the navel gazing, egocentric, belly flop for the ages recently provided to us by apple’s software engineers, it’s as well we have a functioning, non-hardware tied editing software solution to stand with avid.
Again – given Apple’s utterly ridiculous, ego driven implosion, if Adobe hadn’t gotten it together – there would be, as they say, only one.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Oliver Peters] “The real issue is sharing sequences between editors.”
I’m boosting PPro 6 in a bloodthirsty fashion, (although I do feel it looks right) – the current after effects style, one project at a time, and all the file problems associated with that, gives me a little pause – still – are we going to talk at all about the adobe anywhere demo? Isn’t that a gigantic shoe dropping? in 6-9 months?
devil’s advocate Oliver: if you had to pick an editing platform over a three year horizon, given the two companies behaviour – would you pick PPro, or FCPX?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “devil’s advocate Oliver: if you had to pick an editing platform over a three year horizon, given the two companies behaviour -would you pick PPro, or FCPX?”
Truth is that FCP 7 died before lots of little niggles got fixed.
FCPX vs Adobe for fixing things is for me a no brainer. Adobe are the horse I am backing for the next three years as they only need to continue a development trend that seems focussed and user driven. Apple have their eye on other things and more basic design philosophy issues that make me wary.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “devil’s advocate Oliver: if you had to pick an editing platform over a three year horizon, given the two companies behaviour – would you pick PPro, or FCPX?”
Apple and FCP X.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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you would pick a company, utterly focused on tablets, a slightly smaller tablet, phones, music sales, media sales, televisions(?), television boxes, laptops and the retail sales for all these things within its retail stores numbering in the hundreds –
– over a company of thirty years standing that owes its entire existence, uninterrupted, to the patronage of print design, media, online and video editing professionals?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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