Keyframes In Wrong Position After Copy to a Different Sequence

[John Fishback]

I don’t know why this would be happening. Do the sequences have the exact same settings. Rather than copy/paste have you tried duplicating your sequence? If that would leave you with a lot of extraneous material, duplicate it once, remove the extra material, and then duplicate the sequence with just the 7/4 tracks as many times as you need.

John

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[Howard Ferguson]

In a message dated 4/23/09 8:54:11 AM:
I don’t know why this would be happening. Do the sequences have the exact same settings. Rather than copy/paste have you tried duplicating your sequence? If that would leave you with a lot of extraneous material, duplicate it once, remove the extra material, and then duplicate the sequence with just the 7/4 tracks as many times as you need.
John

Hi John,

Thanks very much for your response.

I think you have landed on the reason for my problem.

The “two sequence project” was Frame rate 23.98,
and the “one sequence project” is Frame rate 29.97.

It seems that there is no translation possible between those formats in Final Cut Pro 5.1.4.

The Keyframes from one format will not Copy to the other in the proper locations, relative to the clips being Copied and Pasted, even thought the clips themselves seem to be aligned properly. (Huh ?)

I tried it both ways.
From 23.98 to 29.97, and from 29.97 to 23.98.

I assumed there would be a translation function between the formats, but that does not appear to be the case.

As a workaround,
And to Avoid Nesting so many items . . .

I’ve created a Quicktime file of the entire 23.98 sequence,
and Dragged it into the 29.97 sequence.

I’ll cut out the parts I need of the 23.98 sequence,
and edit them into the 29.97 sequence.

If anyone is aware of this being ill-advised,
Or has a better way to go about this-
I’d be happy to know it right away . . .

This forum has been very helpful to me.

Thanks very much John for your help !

Howard Ferguson
Chicago

[John Fishback]

I’m not an expert at changing time bases. Fortunately through luck and planning all my projects have had media with only one time base. From what I’ve read in other threads, don’t just drag your 23.98 file into your 29.97 sequence.

Use Compressor first to turn the 23.98 into 29.97 or vice-versa. In Compressor’s Inspector in the Frame Control turn on the frame controls. Then select best for all settings and let Compressor work. It will take a while. Of course, be sure to select the correct codec and have the frame rate set to 29.97 in the Encoder tab.

There are many posts about doing this and I recommend you check them out for the exact workflow.

John

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[Howard Ferguson]

HI John,

Sorry to be so long responding to your helpful posting,
it’s been a difficult time.

At this point for this project, I will need to continue with my mixed time base clips in one sequence.
Due to time constraints.

The bad news is: the Rendering time . . .

Having 23.98 and 29.97 clips across those 7 video tracks.

I should say at this point, my former problems with transferring Keyframe data between the 23.98 Sequence and the 29.97 Sequence has been worked around, by-

Exporting that 23.98 Sequence to Quicktime, best quality, no compression.
And then Importing it into the 29.97 Sequence, for further editing.

The good news is:
It works.
Final Cut Renders the 23.98 and the 29.97 mix of clips,
with their myriad keyframe edits in both . . .

And it works within Final Cut.
And, for Exporting to Quicktime (compressed or not).

I will certainly be more careful the next time I set up a multi-time base project,
to determine and maintain a common time format.

Additionally, at this point-
I’d be really happy to learn of a way to copy the Keyframes (Motion and Filter) from a series of clips on a single Video track, and then Paste them onto the clip on a different Video track.

So that they appear in exactly the same location along the timeline, even though their actual clips begin at different times.

This is data transfer is very simple to do in the audio editing apps that I’d accustomed to using-
But I haven’t discovered it in Final Cut yet . . .

Thanks again for your help !

Howard Ferguson
Chicago

ps:
Here’s some info from David Pogue that a friend sent me, relative to the format difficulty situation.

https://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/camcorder-conflicts-with-final-cut/?emc=eta1

[John Fishback]

Howard, I’m glad you could work around your issue. Rendering to change the timebase is a bear. Here’s what you do to tranfer your keyframes from one clip to another. It’s called pasting attributes. BTW you can also use it to clear the attributes of a clip or clips (Remove Attributes). First, highlight the clip and copy it (Cmd C). Then select the clip (or clips) to which you want to copy the keyframes. Then Paste Attributes (Opt-V). A dialog box will open with choices of which attributes to paste. Check the ones you want. This is also helpful if you want to paste volume settings or filter settings from one clip to many.

John

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[Howard Ferguson]

Hi John,

I’m hoping to find a way to copy and paste the attributes from a series of clips on one video track > to a single clip of the same length, on a different video track.

So the attributes will be in the same place there in that clip, as they were in the multiple clips of the other video track.

Is there a way to do this ?

Thanks much for your help !
Howard Ferguson
Chicago

[John Fishback]

I’ve never tried doing that. My only thought is to nest the multiple tracks, copy the nest and paste attributes to the new track. Hope that helps.

John

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