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Is there a winner here between Canon and RED?
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[Michael Hancock] “Downscaling 4K to 1080p does give you an ultrasharp picture though, which is why I like it.”
Sorry to disagree
Downscaling can’t gives nothing unless you are starting with something like 420 stuff where (well managed) the oversized can picture can help to get a decent 422 or even 444 downscaled picture.To work with a picture bigger than the delivery size just complicates things and the only thing that justify that is the possibilities to zoom/pan or reframe.
I don’t know AVID and PP, but at least in FCP/FCPX there is not any decent downscaling tool.
I keep using SHAKE just for downscaling.
rafael -
If is true what this blog says (ONLY 8b OF THE SDI!!) is not a camera to even consider.
https://blog.p2pro.com/post/12322206782/canon-c300-thoughts
I guess that may be an error. I don’t consider Canon people stupid enough to have done that.
rafael -
If I could I would go for the Canon because I have tons of canon glass. But I am pretty content with my AF100 and more when I get the pix 220
RC
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I was impressed with the Scarlet, less so with the Canon due to the price and codec. But for the work I do, I want a quick, efficient workflow, and Red’s workflow feels like it adds a extra couple of steps.
I’m also thinking about the F3. That sensor is impressive, and the price is about $13K in the real-world.
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How can one pick a “winner” based on ideas generated by PR professionals?
That’s all we have today on either of these cameras.
I suppose we might be able to “sniff out” the early reactions to published feature sets – but does that tell us anything about the utility and staying power of these products over time?
Personaly, I’ll start paying more attention when I can hold them in my hands, and shoot something under conditions that are close to what I face when I have to produce work for money, and see the footage for myself.
Until that point, too much smoke and mirrors, and not enough real facts to choose from, IMO.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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I’m hearing with discounts and incentives, you can get the body and the prime lens kit they make for the camera, all at about $20K or slightly less.
Doug D
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Personally, between the two I think the Red scores the most points… mostly because it seems to have the flexibilty I expect out of a video camera (multiple frame rates, true aquisition CODEC, etc). Although at that price range, I probably wouldn’t even consider the Canon… I see the choice really being between the F3 (with S-Log upgrade and 4:4:4 recorder) and the Red.
Shawn
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I would not call it a creative option, more a Rodriguez low budget fix 😉
My take would be Red alone 1K 120 frames a sec. but the real winner is us! -
By the time you kit a Scarlet, you will be over the Canon price, or similar.
Price is a wash in my opinion.
Red has some proprietary parts (ssd cards/readers, viewfinders, decoder card to go faster). Files aren’t necessarily post ready after shoot if using FCP, unless you add an external recorder. R3D is amazing, but you have to handle it correctly.
Canon has cheaper recording medium, post ready files, viewfinder included.
There’s no clear winner, different tools for different jobs with lots of overlap.
Red is a specialized company, Canon is involved in many aspects of imaging, not just cameras (more diversified, could be a strength and weakness).
Red has a clear upgrade path and has setup a flexible, future thinking system, Canon has choices of lens mounts and you are locked to what you purchase. Need a different mount, you need a different camera.
Red has had a hand in binging 4k to the market for serious, Canon has had a hand in being interchangeable lenses to the masses.
Red’s metadata color system is second to none, Canon has a LOG workflow.
Red has been in the “cinema” camera market for a little while, this is Canon’s first attempt at a true cinema camera development in the digital realm.
There’s no clear winner from the tea leaves, there doesn’t have to be.
As a wise man once said, in this day and age, buy the support gear, not the camera.
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I don’t know the 14 thousand canon Red scarlet x kit sure does beat the 16 thousand Canon EOS C300.
Gives me 2k extra for another lens. But that’s my opinion..
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