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Is FCPX gaining any ground?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “not anywhere near hastings by any chance?”
Further West, nearer Ringwood and Bournemouth
Steve Connor
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[Bill Davis] “I tried to be fair in my presentation saying nothing to dismiss the choices of others.
I think that’s the right way to advocate for a good tool.”
sure – It’s hard to deal with the dinner jacket urbane conversationalist bill davies mind you… 🙂
But In short Bill – yes absolutely.
FCPX has every opportunity to advance, and to be fair – I throw rhetoric at apple like no one’s business, but you can’t say I haven’t engaged with the software to some degree.
that said – you can apparently count on the fingers of one hand the number of facilities/post/ editing houses in the states that have plumped for FCPX. Apple had to bolster their workplace stories with a german dude, and that left them a thumb.
You can count almost no broadcasters visibly deploying right? If I’m going to seriously consider a piece of software that literally requires me to unlearn what I know and understand of editing practise as represented by all the other software, that it no way resembles, and that other, more traditional (?), software has virtually all the market share –
as someone entering the market – what is the realistic incentive for learning FCPX when any FCPX jobs posting is a haley’s comet? It is on Mandy anyway, and mandy churns out massive amounts of editing postings across the US. Premiere pops up quite a lot lately though.In London – which is a major media market, with pretty massive US subsidiaries, a teeming longform doco ecosystem, and countless corporate based shops, you don’t need a hand. there is quite literally no one Bill. except craig slattery. and he’s not employing.
we are at two years and counting.
As to the meeting – you are absolutely right – I was not there, I just quoted the questions arising from the audience – apparently a lot of them dealt with Adobe Premiere Pro. As you say – there may be many reasons for that.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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I appear in Hastings occasionally. We could have scowled silently over pints.
Bournemouth does some pretty tasty film courses right?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Bournemouth does some pretty tasty film courses right?”
It does and some very good bars too!
Steve Connor
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[Bill Davis] “You guys have a great program. And I know you’re working hard to make it even better. I wish you well.”
We’ve only just begun! LOL
Yes, I’ll be giving a Premiere Pro class at the ‘meet. Sorry I won’t see you there.Kevin Monahan
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Adobe After Effects
Adobe Premiere Pro
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All I’ll say is this…
How do you guys even KNOW what X does now?
You’re both famously dismissive of it. If you use it at all, I can’t imagine thats for anything beyond launching it and descending into an immediate state of deep angst and horror.
From your constant comments, it seems obvious that you guys hardly spend any truly significant time doing practical deadline-driven work in X, so I’m at a loss as to how your opinions about how it might or might not operate should carry much weight.
And if you don’t currently fully understand how it works, why are you somehow qualified to judge whether it will gain traction in pro editing over time?
All you’re doing is sampling a class of your editing friends and/or shop buddies. Not exactly a planet wide balanced sample.
Have you guys secretly changed your positions and are now quietly spending hours upon hours editing with X so that you KNOW what it’s capable of, rather than just taking an opinion based on reading other peoples impressions? If so tell us! Honestly, if you’ve just kicked the tires a few times and turned your back on it – which is kinda the impression I get from your posts – then why exactly should someone value your opinion regarding the effectiveness of something you don’t regularly use?
Just asking.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Bill Davis] “How do you guys even KNOW what X does now?”
From you, dear Bill, you tell us all the time.
What I like most about your little bursts of pique is that they always come when your asked a question you don’t want to answer.
So I’ll try again. It’s a question in 2 parts.
Name one way that FCPX has caused competitive products to emulate it.
Secondly, has FCPX added both a 2nd viewer and persistent ranges during the last year, and if so doesn’t that make X more similar to other NLEs?
[Bill Davis] “From your constant comments, it seems obvious that you guys hardly spend any truly significant time doing practical deadline-driven work in X, so I’m at a loss as to how your opinions about how it might or might not operate should carry much weight.”
I have not expressed any opinions about how X might or might not operate. My opinions are strictly about how you word your opinions. Of that I have a great deal of experience.
[Bill Davis] “And if you don’t currently fully understand how it works, why are you somehow qualified to judge whether it will gain traction in pro editing over time?”
That’s a marketing and business judgement, not a function of how the editing system operates. If product efficiency were all that matters for success I’d still be cutting on *edit. My only opinion about X’s future is that no one knows; although I do enjoy being linked to Aindreas, so thank you for that.
Just think of me as the hyperbole police Bill. I have nothing pro or con to say about X as an editing experience, but I have a lot to say when people make statements about it’s future that I find hyperbolic and unjustified.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “but I have a lot to say when people make statements about it’s future that I find hyperbolic and unjustified.”
I will merely point out that the perspective of someone who actually uses it and understands what it’s capable of – might be a bit more germane to it’s future utility than the opinions of those who don’t understand it very well.
So while you might find such statements “hyperbolic and unjustified” – I’d ask the general question who’s in a better place to judge? Someone with actual knowledge of the program’s functions… or someone who’s knowledge comes from at best, cursory investigation.
I’m arguing that I KNOW the program at least reasonably well -while you and Aindreas apparently do not.
You both have anecdotal knowledge, but very little direct user knowledge .
So it’s fair to point that out.
I’m not saying I can’t be wrong about things regarding X. I most certainly can. But my opinions are at least based on direct experience, whilst yours appear to be largely based on supposition.
I’m comfortable arguing that somewhat strengthens my opinions and weakens yours.
No more or less than that.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “we are at two years and counting.”
Bad Math.
Intro’d at NAB in April 2011 – so the two year anniversary of it’s ANNOUNCEMENT will be in a couple of months.
It didn’t actually ship until June. So we’re barely past 1.5 years.
(And the development over that time has been pretty spectacular.)Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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Rather than start another thread I’d thought I’d add this here given the relevancy. I apologize if it breaks protocol to point to the location but I do think it deserves our attention.
I think there are key take aways here (for me at least).• An editor (assistant editor) who was familiar with the series moved the post from 7 to X so he had direct experience with both NLEs using the same material.
• It’s another example of X workflow and I think we need to see more of that.
• It’s an example of how FCPX takes hold IMHO. Usually a single editor already familiar with X, already familiar with the content, given the freedom to personally make the move (not implying the facility is moving) to exhibit the viability of FCPX.Moving from Final Cut Pro 7 to FCPX on French TV series Lazy Company
https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/1033-moving-from-final-cut-pro-7-to-fcpx-on-french-tv-series-lazy-company
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