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Interesting announcement from Black Magic
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[Jeremy Garchow] “We are talking about ProRes and DNxHD as deliverables.”
Nnnnnnnooo. You are talking about MXF source files. DNxHD deliverables are QT files. And Avid provides that codec for free…encoding and decoding. Where Apple only provided ProRes as a DECODE option. Who’s open now?
And yes, there are cheap cheap people out there who want everything for free. Or $1.99.
As for Avid making a codec that is more MAC friendly…you suggesting QT? That Apple itself is now dropping as it’s foundation? They are now going with AV Foundation. And since Avid is cross platform, MXF is a fine option. Works on both.
And sorry about your black eyes. I’m sure I added a lump or two there.
Shane
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[Michael Hancock] “Quicktime files. That’s the deliverable.”
Hmm, I thought this whole thing started when talking about an MXF DNxHD deliverable. I’d invite you start at the top of the thread.
[Michael Hancock] “You have an issue with Avid’s MXF format.”
Um, yeah. Hasn’t that been what we have been talking about today? And the marketing team. At least I know what I am getting in to when I deal with Apple.
From Avid’s website: “An open platform that enables you to work with everything you want and integrate into any workflow.”
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[Shane Ross] “Nnnnnnnooo. You are talking about MXF source files. DNxHD deliverables are QT files.”
I will invite you too to the top of the thread.
[Shane Ross] “Where Apple only provided ProRes as a DECODE option. Who’s open now?”
And if I got a wad of ProRes QT movies that have been captured to FCP, I can read them on any machine in Quicktime, which is free. I can’t with Avid. Reading the files and continuing to work seems like a more open option to me, but I’m a doofus, so take it with a grain of salt.
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[Daniel Frome] ” I would gladly welcome them to search the schmorgasboard of my Avid Mediafiles/MXF folder! hah…good luck finding it! ;P”
You don’t need luck here, ‘cos there’s an ancient right-click command called “Reveal File” in which takes you to an open Finder window with your three files selected for your convenience (V1+A1+A2). You can see a print screen here that the MXF files retains some of the clip name, so it isn’t such a “mess” like was said nor you need luck to find them neither.
Just clarifying, not punching anyone for that matter. Occasionally, truth hurts a bit, nonetheless
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[Christian Schumacher] “You don’t need luck here, ‘cos there’s an ancient right-click command called “Reveal File” in which takes you to an open Finder window with your three files selected for your convenience (V1+A1+A2)”
Very conveinent when you have Avid software. Not convenient when you don’t.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Hmm, I thought this whole thing started when talking about an MXF DNxHD deliverable. I’d invite you start at the top of the thread.”
John Christie…quoting the BMD announcement – “We are announcing today that we will support DNxHD recording and playback to MXF files.”
ACQUISITION format…not final delivery. And of course, recording to DNxHD for use in the Avid. If you were intending to use another NLE to edit, I’d suggest NOT recording DNxHD MXF files.
Brian Mulligan – “DG Fastchannel accepts DNxHD.”
Ben Scott – “shame ad stream wont accept MXF yet but does prores”
I think Ben meant to say that they won’t accept DNxHD…not MXF. That is the only mention of MXF being used as a final deliverable…and I think Ben misspoke.
Shane
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Hmm, I thought this whole thing started when talking about an MXF DNxHD deliverable. I’d invite you start at the top of the thread.”
The top of this thread is for a recording device that captures to Avid’s MXF format. That’s an acquisition, not a deliverable. If you don’t know what system you’re going to be delivering your footage to, ask. Or shoot to Quicktime – Avid handles that natively too. For a DNxHD deliverable, that’s a Quicktime.
The difference is you’re calling the acquisition format a deliverable because it might get “delivered” to you.
[Jeremy Garchow] ” And the marketing team. At least I know what I am getting in to when I deal with Apple.”
Like you got Mix and Match frame rates on the FCP7 timeline, but it did it wrong? C’mon – Apple is hardly the bastion of truthful marketing.
[Jeremy Garchow] “From Avid’s website: “An open platform that enables you to work with everything you want and integrate into any workflow.””
Yeah. Buy an Avid and it will integrate into any workflow. 3rd party hardware? Accepted (not all of them, but almost all modern cards). Acquisition formats – AVCHD, XDCam, P2, Quicktime (including ProRes), r3d, etc… reads them natively. Export a Quicktime from Avid, like to Quicktime’s using AMA or import/transcode for rock-solid media management.
If you read that to mean that you can take Avid’s MXF files and open them in Word, then I can’t help you. But if you buy Avid – it’s open to integration with other apps, and in most cases it does it really well.
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C’mon ’twas a joke. No wonder they us avid people are a little slow :p
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[Michael Hancock] “The difference is you’re calling the acquisition format a deliverable because it might get “delivered” to you. “
No. Dude. MXF to Adstream, and the resulting response.
I am not making this up.
[Michael Hancock] “If you read that to mean that you can take Avid’s MXF files and open them in Word, then I can’t help you.”
Shucks. Becuase that exactly what I was asking for.
Nevermind. Avid is holy. Remind me not to take it to task on an FCP debate forum.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “No. Dude. MXF to Adstream, and the resulting response. “
DNxHD = codec.
MXF – container.
Post you’re referring to: [Ben Scott] “shame ad stream wont accept MXF yet but does prores”
Already talking about two different things here. Prores – codec. MXF – container. Avid can create a ProRes MXF now, but that still wouldn’t be accepted because Adstream doesn’t accept MXF (even though they accept ProRes).
Ad Stream response: [Craig RussillRoy] “I have been at Adstream for 10 years now and we have seen a lot of codecs come and go…”
[Craig RussillRoy] “I am always keen to test technologies, but on the other hand we need to rope in all the codecs we accept or our tech specs would be 1000s of pages !”Specifically says they can’t accept all codecs. Miscommunication is happening here, because: MXF – not a codec. You said you got that, but you’re still talking like MXF is a delivery codec. It’s not.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Nevermind. Avid is holy. Remind me not to take it to task on an FCP debate forum.”
Take it task all you want, but take it to task for something sensible. Saying Avid should restructure what container they capture to/transcode to because you don’t want to buy their software is kind of silly, isn’t it? I bought calibrated decoders to read DVCProHD Quicktimes on a PC because Apple wasn’t playing nice with PCs and codec support in Quicktime. Problem = solved.
As a matter of fact, I had to read Avid media a few weeks ago so I downloaded the trial and exported Quicktimes. It wasn’t an issue.
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Michael Hancock
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