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Interesting announcement from Black Magic
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “MXF is a wrapper, not a CODEC. You can easily write DNX in a QT wrapper, as well.
”Guys, I am fully and completely aware of this difference.
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Cool. But, then, I don’t understand why you are making these statements from above:
Absolutely I’ll explain. We are talking about DNxHD deliverables, right?
“If I don’t have Avid, how do I write a DNxHD MXF?
If I get sent a DNxHD MXF and I don’t have Avid, how do I read it?
Avid’s MXF needs to allow these things to happen (without paying for a seat) if DNxHD is to be a deliverable.
ProRes readability comes with QuickTime on windows or Mac. For free.”
What am I missing?
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I undertand the codecs are free. I understand what an MXF file is, what a wrapper is, but…
[Shane Ross] “Then you call them back and say “I can’t use these. Send a DNxHD Quicktime file.””
The reason why I am asking is that two weeks ago, I received a drive from Italy that was full of Avid MXF files. If I didn’t have MXF4mac or Atomic Fusion (which combines the audio and video of all the disparate MXF clips and fires it over to FCP to be further edited/exported) I’d would have been hosed. I simply didn’t have time to call Italy and have them do it over. I told them what I wanted to be delivered, they did not listen. So I’m supposed to give up, or just “go buy Avid”. Sorry, but ya’ll are nuts.
I love how all of a sudden the world is perfect, and everyone does what they are supposed to. I ask a valid question, and everyone gets all defensive and testy as it’s an NLE they like. Weird.
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[Chris Harlan] “What am I missing?”
That you cannot read a DNxHD MXF file on a Mac without paying for Avid/third party software.
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[Michael Hancock] “Who cares if if’s not easy or cheap? In another thread you said if someone needed to encode to ProRes on Windows they could buy Episode Engine for $4,000. I quote, “I’m just saying, if you need it, it’s there.”
See here: https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/20368“
I did say it. You are right about that, and that’s ENCODING ProRes in windows.
If you need to READ ProRes on windows IT’S FREE and I don’t have to buy and install an NLE.
If Avid wants to be open, open it. That’s what they are claiming to be, right? Did Apple ever claim to be open?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “If I didn’t have MXF4mac or Atomic Fusion (which combines the audio and video of all the disparate MXF clips and fires it over to FCP to be further edited/exported) I’d would have been hosed.”
No, you wouldn’t have. You could download the free fully functional trial of MC 5.5 and used that to deal with these files. Or, bought it and had it on hand for when this happened again. OR…because you already had those tools at your disposal…this point is moot.
If someone OTHER than you who didn’t have MXF4Mac received MXF files from someone overseas…they wouldn’t be hosed. They too could get the trial version of Avid MC and dealt with them.
[Jeremy Garchow] “So I’m supposed to give up, or just “go buy Avid”.”
Nope! Free demo! Or get Calibrated (cheaper than MXF4Mac). So many solutions exist…you wouldn’t be hosed. You might have to spend a little money, but a lot less than that $4000 you told someone else about for ProRes encoding on a PC.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Sorry, but ya’ll are nuts.”
I beg to differ. You are being oddly combative lately. Uncharacteristically so. I mean…you have the tools at your disposal, your issue is moot. And when, in the past, people have had issues with P2 footage being handed to them with the improper file structure, you (and I) would always offer up the solution of MXF4Mac. That cost money…it isn’t cheap. So why are you now opposed to offering that up as a solution to people getting MXF files from Avid? Or opposed to the suggestion of getting the Avid software? It makes no sense to me. Seems like you are being combative just to bash Avid and their format. Same issue, same solution… So what’s different here?
[Jeremy Garchow] “I ask a valid question, and everyone gets all defensive and testy as it’s an NLE they like. Weird.”
You ask a question that you knew the answer too…because you had the solution in your lap. Yet you seem to want to point out that Avid is faulty somehow. YOU seem to be Avid-bashing for no good reason. You asked the question,’What do I do if I am handed Avid MXF files and I don’t have Avid?” Well, same answer to “what if I am handed MXF files from a P2 card but only have the Video and Audio folders?” Yet you don’t bash Panasonic for making MXF so Apple unfriendly. You say “get MXF4Mac…it’s easy!” Same answer.
Shane
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[Jeremy Garchow] “That you cannot read a DNxHD MXF file on a Mac without paying for Avid/third party software.”
Hmmm…what about DVCPRO HD that was captured with FCP? Or HDV captured with FCP? You need FCP on the machine, or third party software to be able to see those. Have you complained about that?
Shane
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “What am I missing?”
That you cannot read a DNxHD MXF file on a Mac without paying for Avid/third party software.”
So what?
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[Shane Ross] “No, you wouldn’t have. You could download the free fully functional trial of MC 5.5”
Now that is a fair point. More on it later.
[Shane Ross] “OR…because you already had those tools at your disposal…this point is moot. “
I know how I personally would deal with it, but I am not speaking just for myself. I am simply pointing out that Avid could do a lot for itself if it really went open as they claim to be doing and that might mean making MXF available to the OS. That is my whole point.
I also have KiPros and once DNxHD gets turned on, I will be able to record out of a capture card to DNxHD. But I already have those tools, some (most?) people don’t.
[Shane Ross] “So many solutions exist…you wouldn’t be hosed. “
Yes, but Atomic Fusion was the key to it, calibrated won’t get me there will it? I’m away from the office now, otherwise I’d show pictures to show everyone who might not understand.
[Shane Ross] “I beg to differ. You are being oddly combative lately. Uncharacteristically so”
Dude, you have no idea. This is the trading punches forum as well as the debate forum. Consider me shell shocked. I have two black eyes, my lips are swollen, and my body is sore all because I think FCPX is going to be just fine. Many people don’t think that way, and let me (and others) know every single day right here in this forum. Everything has been put in to question around here. I’ll point you to a couple of posts around here that perhaps you were being combative. I have some Twitter posts, too. It is odd that since the tables have turned and there’s software tat you personally might support, I am seen as a “threat”. I have the right to question Avid and their motives and workflows. In my opinion, you want to be open? Open your capture standard to the MacOS. Apple does.
[Shane Ross] “And when, in the past, people have had issues with P2 footage being handed to them with the improper file structure, you (and I) would always offer up the solution of MXF4Mac.”
Because that’s truly a problem and the files were broken. The way Avid MXF works is by design.
[Shane Ross] “So why are you now opposed to offering that up as a solution to people getting MXF files from Avid? Or opposed to the suggestion of getting the Avid software?”
I’m not, I said I have it and used it. But for every 20 times I suggested MXF4mac I’ll show 19.5 people who asked, is there anything cheaper? I also think it’s a bit much to ask to install Avid on a production system that isn’t running Avid. I wouldn’t recommend that, unless they had a separate system drive to install it on.
[Shane Ross] “Seems like you are being combative just to bash Avid and their format. “
I see an issue with it and see where improvements can be made, and I’m not entitled to point it out?
[Shane Ross] “Yet you don’t bash Panasonic for making MXF so Apple unfriendly.”
They have a free tool that lets you read their MXF files (P2CMS) they have also made a free Avc-Intra MXF encoder available for Compressor for years now. There’s nothing to bash, they support their MXF standards and want you to use it on a Mac with multiple tools, for free. You don’t even have to buy a camera, or any Panasonic gear to have those products.
No offense, brother.
Jeremy
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[Shane Ross] “Hmmm…what about DVCPRO HD that was captured with FCP? Or HDV captured with FCP? You need FCP on the machine, or third party software to be able to see those. Have you complained about that?”
We are talking about ProRes and DNxHD as deliverables. Unless you want to talk about other codecs?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “We are talking about ProRes and DNxHD as deliverables. “
Quicktime files. That’s the deliverable.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Unless you want to talk about other codecs?”
You have an issue with Avid’s MXF format. Shane is pointing out Apple’s proprietary codecs with FCP. Same issue.
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