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If you’re jumping to Windows – Something to ponder
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“Given how similar NLEs are (FCPX withstanding obviously) the learning curve is not that severe.”
Of course I’m talking about the learning curve of FCPx – or am I in the wrong forum?
As a matter of fact I can’t really figure out where you’re going with this – you started this thread as a warning to FCP deserters about the dangers of straying into the disappearing world of PCs. Of course an easy option would be to stay with Mac Pros when migrating to Avid or PPro, but I still think your argument is baseless when considering the next step.
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There is no winner in running towards the bottom. I’d never have faith in all that BS I was to read in textbooks on companies that serve THE customers and expand because they, the people, reciprocate with buck and thus validate their marketing strategy. I’m laughing on reminiscing all those case studies about staunch entrepreneurs working hard from their garages to earn loyalty of their customers and produce the best product for them. The last bastion of capitalism is crushing down unveiling its ugly face. BTW, I’m not into HP, never was. I never was an Apple freak, either, but I know lots of people who were there onset and they kinda were starting showing signs of deep disillusionment during the last couple of years and felt betrayed. They kept Apple finically afloat all those years and now what they got in return? They were discarded because now, all of a sudden, Apple got deep pockets and can handle on its own. Bravo. I don’t give a @#$% what is written in their TOS. I pissed off because their abrupt change in attitude will eventually cost me a buck and I’d rather spend it on something else.
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[Herb Sevush] “Of course I’m talking about the learning curve of FCPx – or am I in the wrong forum?”
Again as former facility engineer I don’t find learning FCPX that daunting compared to trouble shooting issues I’ve had with Windows boxes. I’m not saying one is better but I don’t see “learning curve” as a more daunting form of maintenance than Windows hardware/driver/software trouble shooting. A new system means break in time either way.
[Herb Sevush] “As a matter of fact I can’t really figure out where you’re going with this – you started this thread as a warning to FCP deserters about the dangers of straying into the disappearing world of PCs.”
Not at all. It’s basically that no hardware or software is immune to sudden shifts which can impact major facility or individual purchasing decisions. Basically there is no “grass is greener” It’s just another lawn with a different set of weeds. One day FCP is EOL. The next day your preferred computer hardware is gone.
[Herb Sevush] “Of course an easy option would be to stay with Mac Pros when migrating to Avid or PPro, but I still think your argument is baseless when considering the next step.”
There are those who think MacPros (as we know it) are an endangered specious as well. The point is nothing is safe. Any decision you make may be temporary and you may not know the longevity of that decision.
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[Everest Mokaeff] ” I pissed off because their abrupt change in attitude will eventually cost me a buck and I’d rather spend it on something else.”
As it the case with decisions made by many software and hardware manufacturers. I can post the long list of companies and products they EOLd which forced financial decisions on the purchasers.
I can’t help but wonder how many VARs built turnkey Avid systems on HP Z800s.
I even wonder how Thunderbolt (let’s not forget it’s Intel’s toy, not Apple’s) will impact video i/o.
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I just jumped to PC and I couldn’t be happier. Got a PC that has more punch than the most expensive iMac for less than the cost of the cheapest. Loaded it up with Edius and I’m having fun editing for the first time in ages. It is so much faster and friendlier than Final Cut there are no words.
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“HP will consider a broad range of options that may include, among others, a full or partial separation of PSG from HP through a spin-off or other transaction.”
This doesn’t mean that HP is discontinuing z class workstations. I wouldn’t be very surprised if they folded their workstation product line into their entrprise business and spun off it’s consumer (PC) hardware division altogether. Something tells me that HP isn’t walking way from large post houses like WETA and Lucasfilm.
Shawn
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[Dominic Deacon] ” Loaded it up with Edius and I’m having fun editing for the first time in ages.”
There’s a good reason why some chose Edius. There are lots of options out there. We don’t all have to drive the same car. It’s what feels comfortable to us as individuals. We learn the nuances of what we use.
[Dominic Deacon] “Got a PC that has more punch than the most expensive iMac for less than the cost of the cheapest.”
Although it always depends on what features you value. I don’t think Apple is overpriced but they put in things that may not be critical to many. I think Thunderbolt will be very important by the end of the year but for many USB3 will be fine.
The issue I see with PCs (and I do own and work with them) is that there’s a lot of issues around parts compatibility. I mention Blackmagic as one because they have a range of recommended motherboards and recommend against Dell. I’ve talked to Osprey (Viewcast) and it’s really not too dissimilar of a situation. You have to think of your roadmap over the next two to three years (whatever the life of you PC is) and whether you’ll need USB3 or Thunderbolt or Blackmagic, Osprey and whether your system will grow with that. Not that you don’t need to think about the same things with a Mac but with PCs there’s a tendency to think about the CPU, GPU, PCIe expansion slots and lanes, and that’s it. Motherboards, even with the same CPU may have specific compatibility with i/o devices. This is why some people who depend on their machines for their livelihoods go through VARs who have experience building turnkey systems.
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FCPX cannot even use Blackmagic, so I’m not sure what your point is.
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[Gary Huff] “FCPX cannot even use Blackmagic, so I’m not sure what your point is.”
Blackmagic, AJA, Matrox are all working on solutions given current limitations.
It’s not about feature specific comparisons but the belief that that moving away from Mac will obviate the need for these decisions or that major shifts don’t happen with other projects which might incur significant expenses.
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[Shawn Miller] “Something tells me that HP isn’t walking way from large post houses like WETA and Lucasfilm.”
I don’t see any basis for that. Given HP’s comments it sounds like it’s all up in the air depending on what gets them the most money/value.
As noted, in the article, PCs don’t have a big margin for them. The article states:
moves that will allow it to focus on the higher-margin enterprise business revolving around software, services and servers.
Maybe you’re thinking the HP Zxx line will become a server based system. That’s not a “workstation” in my mind.
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