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Has Adobe lost their minds????
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I don’t recall a widespread outrage online the last upgrade cycle. It is not just here at the cow that this is being discussed. There are far worse flames on other sites and utter disgust and contempt for what I can only see as a major oversight by management. If the available options were fair there wouldn’t be so much flaming online.
And I did as you said. There are way fewer reasons to upgrade this time around then last to justify paying what I thought would be the same upgrade costs, but instead is $666.
I can deploy my money in more efficient alternatives… hence why I am not upgrading. The reason I am so vocal is that my preference was to find great new features and simply stay with Adobe. But they are making really easy to turn my back and look elsewhere.
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I can’t believe the outrage when the demo hasn’t been tried yet and nobody that’s complaining has actually used the program. I’m looking forward to the MGLA meeting tonight. I’m in town and am drooling at the mouth.
https://www.mgla.org/nextmeeting.html
i’ll wait for the demo – next week as promised by mr Kilisky – before I make a decision. Anything that saves me time and money is worth the price.
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Well if you don’t like the deal don’t buy the car.
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His actual thoughts after using AE7 through the beta… I think he qualifies as a voice.
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=2&postid=868497
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“After Effects Pro is a good app, but after getting a taste of node based flows I am not as keen to use AE except for some text effects and other situational motion graphics that are better dealt with in a layer based comp. But even then I lean towards Combustion 3 because I can do the same comps faster in combustion because the interface is much better laid out to get work done fast.”
The AE interface (along with the rest of the production studio) now share the same new streamlined interface. And if you want to talk speed, well, as far as workflow goes, the new level of intergration between products speeds up everything. Which is why, if you were using the full production studio, it’s worth it to use the whole package.
What you forget is that the price on a bundle of software is an incentive for people to use a company’s products. If you aren’t interested in using all of them, they you pay more. This is not a new thing.
Fusion has much deeper 3D integration. And Fusion’s particle system lets you work with 2D particles or full 3D particle systems. After Effects falls short of Fusion’s high end features.
And while I absolutely support you’re using a great product like Fusion, it costs 5 times the price of AE, so there is no comparison. In fact the entire adobe Production Studio is a third the price of just that one program. It may not be fair for me to compare all of that, but I’m just pointing out that you get a great set of tools for a low price.
” And why remove DVD authoring in a video collection / bundle???”
They haven’t – their professional version still has all of that. They had to draw the line somewhere – while it costs you a few hundred dollars to get everything you want to upgrade (because those professional tools aren’t included in a non-profesional or non-production package) – it would cost them a lot more to just give it away.
Straight up, yeah, I think it would be great if Adobe offered things at an even lower price and gave us all the software we want, but realistically, if they charged too little they’d be forced to shut down. Where would that leave us? Perosnally, I’d like them to keep developing their stuff.
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Original Video Collection I
Premiere Pro 1.0
Encore DVD 1.0
Audtion 1.5
After Effects 6.0Price = $250
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Cost to upgrade all those apps to a .5 higher:
Price = $250
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Cost now to upgrade those exact same apps the same .5 higher:
Price = $666
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It’s the same dot release for all four apps. The new features as a collection whole are no better than the last .5 release, yet to just bump them to the new versions is a now requires paying 266% more than the last .5 bump.
To me it is real simple. I see 1 to 1 ratio of new features compared to the last upgrade cycle. Yet there is a 2.66 to 1 price differential. That is not my choice. That is Adobe’s doing. I’m pointing out the disparity and so are others. Some will find the math just fine the way it is because they need Photoshop CS2 or Illustrator CS2 or Flash 8 Pro, but I do not.
And again, others in this thread and other threads are voicing the exact same thing I am. If the new features were more compelling you’d be hearing praise coming from me in these threads.
But to me this is the wendy’s upgrade “where’s the beef?”
Mike James
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version one had all 1.0 apps except AE6.0. I accidentally typed audition 1.5 under the version I video collection.
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Complaints have nothing to do with the software – these are worthy upgrades!
ONLY the whacked pricing structure for UPGRADER’S (those who own previous versions!)
For new users these bundles are a bargain.
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“And again, others in this thread and other threads are voicing the exact same thing I am. If the new features were more compelling you’d be hearing praise coming from me in these threads.”
Have you tried the new features yet? Are you sure their so uncompelling. There are testers who have been using this in a production setting and swear by them.
“Cost now to upgrade those exact same apps the same .5 higher:
Price = $666”And if you were paying for the exact same app you’d be right. But these are not the same program. These are upgrades. New technology that money had to be invested in to create and advance. By your logic a house that someone does work on to imnprove it’s value is sdtill the same house and therefore should cost what it did before all that work went into it. Oh, yeah it has a few new things like electrics and a new kithcen, brand new bathrooms, a pool in the back and a whole new floor added at the top. But of course It’s on the same property, has the same address, and even the same peope living in it so it’s the same house… Right? You know that’s untrue.
Adobe has invested money in the app, and has done thier best to make it accessible to peopel that will use it professionally. It will pay for itself in the short run. For those who are students, there are academic prices available. For those who want to buy it just to play around, that;s a choice. But if you use it as a pro, and it will help you and your workflow, and will make money from it, then I don’t see the complaint.
Nobody buys a suit and says I’m not really going to wear the jacket too often so just make me pay for the pants. You either buy the suit or you don’t. And if you don’t need a suit, and only something more casual, you buy a nice pair of pants. But if you need that suit for a business meeting, you buy it or you have to go in without the proper atire.
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you mean non-pro upgraders. the pro version of this package has a good upgrade.
Just a guess, but it seems like adobe has decided that the Standard upgrade path that they used in the past can’t sustain itself at the prices they were offering. How hard is that to understand?
And there’s nothing wrong with that. Over the years, I’ve had to change my daily rate to pay for the changes in my costs of living. Personally, I’d prefer it if Adobe didn’t go bankrupt by not covering theor costs.
It’s amazing that not a single person has said “well yeah I use these tools to make money and their good tools, so maybe it’s worth investing in for a production package.” Honestly if you are not using them to make a living, maybe it’s not worth the investment. figure out why you’re buying them, and then decide of it’s worth paying for.
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