Has Adobe lost their minds????

[Mylenium]

What are you saying? As far as I recall the old Standard version of the Video Collecton also did not contain Encore and Audition, only the Professional version did. So what’s your point?

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[Mylenium]

Ah, just did a quick check. Indeed the old video collection was – umm – more “video-ish”. You have a point then.

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[Barend Onneweer]

Hmmmm…

Well, even more reason for people to invest in the Premium Suite. I agree that it’s kind of a bummer for some people, though. But for most situations it’s worth the extra expense for After Effects Pro alone.

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[Ron Lindeboom]

I guess that I suffer from the relativity of having bought into After Effects back when it was 1.2, if I remember correctly. Cost me $2,400 and came with no plug-ins hardly at all. You had to buy Effects Pack 1 and Effects Pack 2 for about $1,300 to get keying and some basic effects — extremely basic when compared to what we all use today.

When I look at all that you get today for the price Adobe’s charging, I am amazed at the value of what we get when considered as a features-to-cost curve.

Best regards,

Ron Lindeboom

[Mike James]

I have Premiere Pro 1.5, Encore DVD 1.5, Audition 1.5, AE standard 6.5 (the old video collection). You with me?

The upgrade to the new video collection is $500… but I already have Photoshop CS2. So all I get for my $500 is Premiere Pro 2 and AE7. Which makes no sense because I can upgrade seperately for PPro2 and AE7 for $199 apiece ($398). But after spending that $398 for PPro 2 and AE7 upgrades that leaves me needing to then upgrade Audtion 2 for $129 and Encore DVD 2 for $149 to take the upgrade path to ($666). I wonder if someone planned the math to hit a demonic number.

So I’m left with no video collection standard to video collection standard upgrade path to simply get to version 2 apps. The last collection upgrade was $250 total.

I hardly see the logic in all this. I mean who the heck is a professional and doesn’t already own Photoshop. And why remove DVD authoring in a video collection / bundle???

Just insanity.

Mike James
VFXpodcast.com

[Mike James]

My point was based on facts… you’re not paying attention sir.

Mike James
VFXpodcast.com

[Mylenium]

Yepp, got me there ;o).

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[Mike James]

…and to further clarify. The reason that is my only path (the $666 to upgrade seperately), is because I already own Photoshop CS2, Illustrator CS2 and Flash 8 Pro… so to upgrade my current video collection standard up to the new “premium” version is a whopping $800 and I already have the other apps.

So it really leaves me (and I’m sure many others) with no upgrade path except the $666 fee for upgrading each independently (which I’m assuming I’ll be allowed to do).

This is in stark contrast to being able to buy ‘either’ Apple Motion 2 or Soundtrack Pro right now for $299, then upgrade to the new full Final Cut Pro Studio “universal” for only $199 in February. Thus getting Final Cut Studio for only $498.

Adobe just made this choice real easy for me to go back to FCP.

Mike James
VFXpodcast.com

[Steve Kilisky]

Hi Mike,

Maybe we lost our minds, but here is some additional info behind the configuration changes. Both editions offer the core tools for post production: Premiere, After Effects and Photoshop. The Premium edition which includes Encore, Audition and Illustrator, and AE Pro in addition to Premiere and Photoshop offers what we feel is the most comprehensive set tools for film/video post at what we hope customers will feel is an attractive price point.

Premiere Pro while not as sophisticated as Audition for audio, has a strong set of audio tools for common audio post needs. Premiere Pro 2.0 added DVD authoring from within the timeline, that while not a replacement for Encore DVD, allows for fairly powerful basic DVD authoring. Feedback we received also indicated that customers felt Photoshop was fundamental to post production workflows and should be included in the Standard Suite. When we combined all of these factors with the fact that the majority of customers purchase the Pro VCOL, we felt with this change in the long run better met our customer needs.

We did not make this change lightly and ulitmately after weighing the pros and cons felt that these two new configurations better allowed us to meet the needs of our customers who have different needs and budgets.

While I respect that you still may not agree with the decision, my goal is to help explain why the changes were made, (hopefully for the better).

Regards,

Steve

[Ron Lindeboom]

Trust me, I have already had to sort through the bundle upgrades as I own the Macromedia suite and many Adobe titles.

But my point was that, for me, this stuff is so much cheaper than it used to be that I can get all of this power for 1/3rd what I used to pay for a 9gig Micropolis 1991 harddrive.

You think it’s insane and that is your prerogative. Me, I think it’s cheap and that is my prerogative.

Best regards,

Ron Lindeboom