Has Adobe lost their minds????

[Mike James]

For the upgrade price (for me) it lacks the professional features any pro needs to be competitive. I was hoping to see Adobe catch up to the market place. They didn’t. I guess in 18 to 24 months they’ll try again.

If I compared Avid, Apple and Adobe on the NLE side, even though PPro has the freshest and newest release, it still has not added support that it’s competitors already support natively. It pales in comparison with various formats. Supported formats at Adobe.com (for PPro 2)

https://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/supportedformats.html

NO DVCPro support without third party help
NO DVCPro HD/P2 support without third party help

etc, etc, etc… Meanwhile FCP and Avid have native support for many of these right out of the box. You see? Where’s the beef? Where are the features that should have been implemented in the last 18 months just to stay even with the competition.

A feature by feature comarison of Encore DVD 2 vs [ DVDSP4, DVDit Pro 6 and DVD Lab Pro ]… again Adobe lacks professional features that should have made it into this latest release. It lags the market yet again even though the other apps were released months and months ago.

And just so you know, DFX+5 (the 8 bit version of Fusion 5) is $1295, not $4995 like its big brother. I point this out because for $295 more than AE Pro 7 you get an amazing feature set. Granted you don’t have the float abilities in the 8 bit version, but if you are only doing broadcast stuff, DFX+5 is a powerful beast.

If you plan to step into the DVDPro world and/or buy a panasonic HVX-200 (like I am), then the native support players are Apple and Avid. Adobe’s known about it since NAB so why no native support for PPro??? And Encore got a mild face lift and a bunch of premade templates as it’s two biggest new features.

I guess if you are a wedding or event videographer and don’t need high end NLE and DVD authoring features, then this package will suit you fine.

I was expecting more out of Adobe.

Mike James
VFXpodcast.com

[Mike James]

We keep going back and forth and around in circles. You see these apps as pro level. To me they are just shy of that title, but enough new features that I was willing to pay $249 to bump them up .5 apiece. Not willing to pay $666 for the modest bump they got.

The collection still lags the marketplace when going feature by feature. That is not an opinion. Just go to Avid.com, Apple.com, and Adobe.com and go through feature by feature. Adobe falls short of the competition.

I’m not upgrading for $666. And I’m not coming back to this thread to read anymore regarding this new collection. We use different apps, so we have different views of value here.

For others it will be a great entry and a great bundle. I was expecting to see more given how much time these have been in development.

I am honestly not returning to this paticular thread, but if you want to email me directly I’ll be happy to respond further.

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Mike James
VFXpodcast.com

[Ken Burnston]

I tend to want to discount the opinion of a guy who says on one hand that he spends $20,000 in a year for his software but owns the Standard version and never saw the value in previous Production Bundle versions. Some upgrades in the past were quite cheap and offered big steps forward in functionality and power. Considering that you never saw the value in previous versions of After Effects, it makes me look elsewhere for a balanced and intelligent opinion of the value of this new version.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not happy about this pricing program and as a guy who owns both the Adobe tools and those from Macromedia, I feel that this is clearly the new from-Macromedia director of the Adobe dynamic media department.

But even saying that, your comments sound foolish coming from a guy who rants but hasn’t seen the value of even cheap upgrades and who then wants to diss After Effects as not being a professional tool. It really strikes me as sour grapes and another suspect rant.

Kenny B

[Steve Roberts]

Okay boys, I think we’re stretching the mandate of the COW here. Ron & Kathlyn can correct me, but I’ve always thought of this COW forum as limited to AE technical problems and solutions rather than general AE discussion.

The more general we get, the harder it is for technical problems to see the light of day.

I realize that a new release generates discussion, but I think that this discussion has served its purpose, that is to make Adobe aware of the upgrade cost issues, since obviously Steve Kilisky has been paying attention.

Now … how about some tips ‘n’ techniques? 🙂

Steve

[Aharon Rabinowitz]

More importantly, for a guy who starts a string with a rant of “has adobe lost thier minds?????” it’s amazing that you’d just walk out after you’ve had enough.

Mike, you have the right to be unhappy about the situation, what’s not appreciated here is the fact that you are looking at it from only one perspective – the perspective of someone who owns a non-professional package which adobe can no longer support. It sucks but that happens sometimes. I would also be unhappy if I were in your position, but I also understand economics and realize that there’s apoint where you can;t get blood from a stone.

I’m not clear what it is you do for a living, but you made the comment that all of these tools fall short of being professional. I can’t speak for every package in the suite, but anyone who says that AE is not a pro tool, has never worked in an animation house, advertising firm, or film studio. I have worked and trained at tons of places here in NYC, and I have never been anywhere that didn’t have and use After Effects to some degree, if not primarily.

Furthermore, I will grant you that premiere doesn’t have anything close to the same market that other NLE’s, and that may be the case for the rest of the software in the suite – however if you don’t like them, and don’t think that their good tools, stop complaining about how terrible adobe is being and don’t buy them. Why would you even buy them if they were subpar?

Again, you have the right to be unhappy – but what you did was com in here and start a flame against adobe, and weren’t looking for anything more than for people to agree with you, and that’s not what this forum is for.

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