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Grumpy times over on the Cows Creative Cloud or Not board…
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[Herb Sevush] “Look who’s grumpy now. My remark was strictly counterpunching and not meant to be taken seriously.”
I am a sensitive artiste, with an e. My feelings are crushed upon the mere mention of punches.
[Herb Sevush] “Yes, from the ubiquitous “my way or the highway” school of marketing. But at least with Adobe it’s the business side, not the design team, that leads with that attitude.”
Do you think that will serve Adobe better in the long run?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Do you think that will serve Adobe better in the long run?”
I don’t know about Adobe but I like to believe that the people designing my tools have me in mind (abstractly), but in the long run your screwed either way. With discreet *edit the design guys were great and the marketing guys screwed us, with Apple it was the other way around – in both cases I was left looking for a new workflow.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
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[Herb Sevush] ” – in both cases I was left looking for a new workflow.”
I’ve stopped trying to guess who’s going to be ‘the best’ in the long haul. Hell, even just 5 years from now. Too many variables. I mean, compare the NLE outlook in 2010 vs today. FCP Legend killed, X-bomb, Avid delisted then relisted on stock market, Adobe looking like a great FCP Legend replacement, Adobe hated for going subscription only, BM adding NLE features to Resolve and Lightworks slowly but surely moving along.
I’m with Walter, I’m going to do the best I can to save my work in cross-platform ways (like XMLs or AAFs) and focus on being agile. I’m preparing my eggs to go into many different baskets (does that sound weird, I feel like that sounds weird).
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I know what you meant, but still, it just feels like we are idiots for ever choosing anything that has to do with Apple, or for being interested in more tools, or that we are underemployed, or that Apple’s take or leave it attitude is unique in some way to industry?”
I can imagine how you feel. It has been suggested to me on numerous occasions that I may lack important critical thinking skills because I use Creative Cloud.
I only meant to draw out the very significant differences in philosophy between a couple of applications, not pass any kind of judgment on their users. I certainly didn’t intend any offense — but if I have caused it anyway, please accept my apologies.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Let’s flip it the other way around. What can X do for someone that is primarily a Fusion compositor, if and when Fusion comes to the Mac? Maybe good things, especially since Blackmagic is working with FCPXML?”
I would bet that the number of editors interested in compositing is greater than the number of compositors interested in editing as part of their regular workflows.
That said, I’d say the same thing to them that I said to Eric regarding Fusion: FCP X is pretty speedy and interactive. You’ll like it!
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “I can imagine how you feel. It has been suggested to me on numerous occasions that I may lack important critical thinking skills because I use Creative Cloud.”
Well…duh. !
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[Andrew Kimery] “[Bob Woodhead] “Why is it that this forum (and techniques) seem to be far more active than the others?
Could it be that we’re done editing sooner, and thus have more time to post?”
Playful joke about non-X editors
[Herb Sevush] “Or that your underemployed and have more time to post?”
Playful joke about X editors.
[Keith Koby] “Perhaps old editors in their retirement have lots of time to be cranky on message boards…”
Playful joke about non-X editors
[Jeremy Garchow] “And the undermining of X editors continues.”
???
“Playful joke about an X editor who hasn’t taken the time to read the thread due to over employment.
Honestly, I missed Keith’s comment.
It all makes sense now.
Herb, I hope we can catch a baseball game sometime.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Playful joke about an X editor who hasn’t taken the time to read the thread due to over employment.”
Now yer just rubbing our noses in your success! Jerk. lol 😉
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[Andrew Kimery] “Now yer just rubbing our noses in your success! Jerk. lol ;)”
I am up to my ears in skateboarding soccer mom videos. We are really trying to reach a new audience, you know?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I am up to my ears in skateboarding soccer mom videos. We are really trying to reach a new audience, you know?”
This is why you do need Fusion. Check out SecondMan’s KAK (Kick-ass Keyer). It’s been perfect for retaining all that fuzzy, furry edge detail on all our cat videos.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive | RenderBreak [blog] | Profile [LinkedIn] -
Just to give some context to the “look in the mirror” quote by Adobe’s CFO posted on the “grumpy” board, I will quote the post that started the hoo-ha over there. My thanks to David Miller for finding and posting this:
“…the highway….for both employees and customers. They’re not going back so far as he’s concerned:
https://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2015/01/16/adobe-systems-cfo-managing-business-mod...
Here’s the key section:
” Fourth, burn the boats. At some point along the way, you have to say this is the right answer and a new strategy. You can’t go back. From an employee point of view, there will be some who resist change. They have to get on board or leave, because frankly we are focused on this and this is the new direction.From a customer perspective, they are like anybody. They like doing things the way they’ve always been done. At first, you give them a choice of buying the old and new way. A lot will fall back and not move to a subscription model. But you have got to get to the point where you say to the customer, we’re not updating a perpetual product. It’s a major milestone.
From an employee perspective you have to stick to your guns and say, ‘Like it or leave.’ From a customer point of view, you have to nudge them to the new model, slowly but surely, by not giving them a new option any more. To do that you have to look at yourself in the mirror and say, ‘The customer is better off with the new model.’ ”
I hope he continues to look at himself in the mirror as many of their former customers walk away to some other option.
The 3 million or so that they have captured into CC so far are likely the “low hanging fruit” of their customer base…the ones most likely to join. The remaining 75% or so (Adobe apparently has around 12 million customers) may prove a lot harder to persuade.
Will be interesting to see, I’m sure.
– David”
Draw your own conclusions. Myself, I’m moving to FCPX. Haven’t touched Premiere in months.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.1.4, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.5, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD
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