Grumpy times over on the Cows Creative Cloud or Not board…

[Andrew Kimery]

[Jim Wiseman] “Thanks for your response Dennis. I have to point out that FCPX has evolved into a professional level application in the time since 10.0 was introduced and I have not had to pay a single dime extra for the improvements, which I am positive will continue. “

Until Adobe starts selling hardware it’s an apples to oranges comparison. There’s no way a software company can do the sell once, upgrade and support forever at no extra charge business model like a hardware company can.

[Jim Wiseman]

[Andrew Kimery] “Until Adobe starts selling hardware it’s an apples to oranges comparison. There’s no way a software company can do the sell once, upgrade and support forever at no extra charge business model like a hardware company can.
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Absolutely true, Andrew. But for me, since I’m all Mac, it is software vs. software, so I guess you could say Apple/Adobe vs Apple/Apple. If you have a good Mac (in my case new Mac Pro) it is a direct comparison. There is a big advantage in many respects besides pricing to having the same company able to integrate the marriage of hardware and software.

I will also agree with those that say there is a great virtue in having competition. With CC rental, at least in my case, and I imagine many others, Adobe doesn’t measure up, as much as I would like to have their offerings beyond CS6 in my toolkit. I was already using CS6 looking forward to the next upgrade. Then rental only was dropped. So CS6 will have to do until they offer an off ramp or rent/purchase model. The threat of inaccessible projects as an incentive to use their software doesn’t make it for me. In other words the specter of “burned boats”. YMMV.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.1.4, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.5, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD

[Andrew Kimery]

[Jim Wiseman] “Absolutely true, Andrew. But for me, since I’m all Mac, it is software vs. software, so I guess you could say Apple/Adobe vs Apple/Apple. If you have a good Mac (in my case new Mac Pro) it is a direct comparison. There is a big advantage in many respects besides pricing to having the same company able to integrate the marriage of hardware and software.
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Completely agree and that’s a big reason why I’ve been Mac-centric since ’02. An obvious downside to being so connected to a single vender is what happens when your needs and the vender’s products start going separate ways?

That’s a crossroads I’m approaching right now. For the first time in a long time my primary NLE is not a Mac-only NLE so as I’m looking for a new desktop I don’t have to by a Mac and since I don’t have to buy a Mac I’ve been more critical of the offerings because I have a choice between Windows and Mac again.

Interesting times in our field these days.

[Austin Shelton]

He must be.

[David Mathis]

I wish for playback issues in Resolve gets resolved (pun intended) as there some very nice editing tools. The big ones are trimming and keyframing which is the weakest link in the chain as X is concerned. Once playback is fixed, FCP X will be used for organizing and editing can be done in Resolve, which should be trackless as well. Those darn tracks! 😉