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I agree with Herb that until TB presents no narrowing of the funnel for expansion, PCIe will remain relevant.
Corning got the OK for their optical TB cables this week. Right now that just means longer usable lengths- but hopefully it will mean we’ll see another big speed bump in Thunderbolt with the next revision in a year or two. I’m not sure what the next step is- if optical means they can jump right to the 100Gb/s that was originally talked about with Lightpeak, or if we have a couple more doublings in thru-put before we get there.
When everything can be outbound, the beefiest GPUs, RedRocketX cards- basically 16-lane. Then we can start talking about if PCIe has any relevance going forward.
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[Craig Seeman] “But you offer no reasoned refutation.”
Was waiting for you to ask.
[Craig Seeman] “I doubt you’ll see much in the way of Mac GPU cards for example.”
So what. The market for Windows graphics cards must be at least 4 times the size of the Mac market, if model types are any indicator.
[Craig Seeman] “Given Apple’s penetration into the Post market, it seriously cuts into margins for many developers of cards. “
The Post markets impact on graphics card development I would imagine to be quite small, if not totally insignificant. Gamers push the market, CAD pushes the market, 3D modelling, most of which is not done on Macs, push the market.
[Craig Seeman] “Any card that doesn’t need 8x or 16x will probably have Thunderbolt versions.”
But GFX cards do require 8x and 16x. And Thunderbolts impact even on 4x and below is felt only on the Mac side of things. Thunderbolt is not exactly wowing them in PC land. The HP announcement being a good example – a PCIe card (those things that are not supposed to be developed any more) for a Tblt port, which leaves what, another 5 PCIe slots, or is it 7, to develop for.
[Craig Seeman] “One can look at companies like AJA and Blackmagic and see expansion of Thunderbolt devices.”
Yes, new markets lead to new products. That doesn’t mean the old markets have gone away.
[Craig Seeman] “The demand on the Windows side isn’t going to change much”
Stop right there. How does that reconcile with your earlier statment:
[Craig Seeman]“There’s not likely going to be much R&D on the PCIe card side of things from hardware developers as they continue the shift to Thunderbolt.”
When the windows side of things is the majority of the PCIe market?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Marcus Moore] “I agree with Herb that until TB presents no narrowing of the funnel for expansion, PCIe will remain relevant.”
Unfortunately not on Mac. 8x or 16x PCIe card won’t get you much on Thunderbolt even in a PCIe to Thunderbolt chassis. It’s relevant for Windows. It’s relevant for old MacPros which won’t be a growth market.
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I’m speaking specifically to the Mac market.
With no PCIe base MacPros being sold there’s not much incentive for any PCIe card developer to do anything for the Mac market whether its firmware or drivers.
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[Craig Seeman] “I’m speaking specifically to the Mac market.”
As an aside to the slowness of market penetration I went with my wife to the Apple store a few weeks ago, she bought a new Air and I was looking for an external drive for her and figured for sure I’d get a Tblt drive. There was one model for Tblt versus about 5 for USB3 and it cost 3 times as much, although to be fair it was twice the size. I was shocked at the lack of development for Tblt peripherals and this is 2 years after they came out.
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[Craig Seeman] “It seems RED may be moving to GPU support as an alternative to Rocket.”
Absolutely not. Resolve uses GPU to render, so I would assume RedCineX will be somewhat comparable, meaning you’re looking at about 12-15 fps with a GPU. Red Rocket-X will supposedly do about 60fps with 6k footage. If you need serious transcoding power, a Rocket-X in a 16x PCI-e lane is what you’re going to need, which means you’re not going to get that speed with the new Mac Pro.
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[Bernard Newnham] “and ask them to explain themselves in depth.”
Bernard, they just get insulted when you ask that…mostly because they realize you are implying that they are full of it (which they usually are).
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I’m not doubting what you found at your store, but just so you know that’s not indicative. My local Apple store is equal weighted TB and USB3 drives- from guys like Lacie, G-Tech, etc.; and in both desktop and portable configs. Most TB drives are coming with a cable now too, which they weren’t to start with.
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There’s actually not much reason for single drive systems on Thunderbolt compared to USB3. You’d more likely wand dual drive systems.
Western Digital MyBook Thunderbolt is an example
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890514-REG/Western_Digital_wdbusk0040jsl_nesn_4TB_My_Book_Thunderbolt.htmlB&H has 31 from 7 companies. Most are just size variations within a given company’s models.
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No ROCKET Necessary: 3rd Party GPU Acceleration is Coming to REDCINE-X PRO
https://nofilmschool.com/2013/08/3rd-party-gpu-acceleration-coming-redcine-x-pro/RED gets huge GPU workflow boost!
https://www.redsharknews.com/post/item/1015-red-gets-huge-gpu-workflow-boost
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