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[Robin S. Kurz] “So you’ve seen what I shot in context and aren’t just throwing a blind, presumptuous blanket of unfounded imputations? “
Not every comment is about you. I wasn’t referring to anything you have shot.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “How don’t you already have that without any algorithm? These are two random frames from a couple of my iPhone videos (merely scaled by 50%, otherwise untouched and even taken with the built-in camera app for a change, so “sloppy” compared to what is possible otherwise):”
Yes they look very much like iPhone shots
[Robin S. Kurz] “The client just HATED it. What a moron for not sending me home quickly!”
Although he might have loved a little bit more if you’d shot it with your Ursa
[Robin S. Kurz] “Would the highlights have been less blown out with my URSA MP (or even with simply more than just available light) and had EVEN LESS DOF (that I don’t even want)? Sure. As well as making getting the same pictures exponentially more of a PITA. So I guess given that, these images are of course crap and totally unacceptable for a “true pro!”, right? … ????????
“You seem to be arguing that “good enough” and “easy” is the way forward?
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[Tony West] “I could get away with shooting with my phone on most jobs I would do it in a heartbeat. “
Once again, like software, it’s horses for courses. I recently had to shoot some quick footage up in Minneapolis with me being the only one up there. I did not want to lug around a package of gear so I went with my iPhone 7 at its’ version of 4k, AE/focus lock provided in the phone, and an Ikan handheld stabilizer. It looks great. AirDrop to MBP, edit in X and on the way to client. Client loved it.
That said, when I was back home and had another gig to shoot, I used a Canon C100 because I had the time, space and ancillary gear to go along with it. It looked great too.
I don’t think this is an “either or” scenario rather the choice of the proper tool for the proper scenario.
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[Steve Connor] “You seem to be arguing that “good enough” and “easy” is the way forward?”
I think you’ve hit on the main problem with this approach. Using your iphone to shoot professional video sounds novel and disruptive but does this approach raise the bar on quality or result in a superior product delivered to your client? Most of the argument that has been laid out here is that a client can’t tell the difference so therefore it’s ok.
Are you offering your clients discounts when pricing out your day rate charge?
If I was a client and you told me that instead of using a Red Raven or a Sony FS7 camera to capture the imagery for a project that instead you planned on using your consumer grade iphone I would want/demand a sizable discount. In addition, I think it might lead to a client questioning your overall professionalism.
“Good enough” is not the tag line that I would want attached to my company name.
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[Oliver Peters] “Not every comment is about you.”
Oh, right. Responding directly to me i.e. to something I wrote, quote and all, has nothing to do with me. How totally presumptuous. Got it. Silly me. My bad!
Too bad that that still doesn’t answer a single question either. But I guess that’s e.g. a “no” on seeing “Unsane”. Ok. Hm.
Yeah, Soderbergh has a “good enough” addendum on his production company logo now, too, btw. Since that was clearly HIS whole point as well.
Nothing like a fresh bag of crispy warm logical fallacies in the morning! ????
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Yeah, Soderbergh has a “good enough” addendum on his production company logo now, too, btw. Since that was clearly HIS whole point as well.”
I think that’s a big part of this discussion. Does the use of this type of disruptive technology actually help the end product? Will an audience become equally engaged in the storytelling with this imagery as opposed to more established formats? And we’re only referring to the visuals since the sound design of these projects is just as elaborate as any traditionally shot project.
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[Scott Witthaus] “I don’t think this is an “either or” scenario rather the choice of the proper tool for the proper scenario.”
It’s not – as much as some others here would like to spin it that way.
The problem for the “you can’t get there with an iPhone crew” in this thread, is NOT that there is no DIFFERENCE between the DSLR shot and any iPhone shot…
It’s the AMOUNT of difference. And the relevance of the difference. (Which is what is actually being shaved smaller and smaller and smaller every month.)
I didn’t carefully cherry pick and curate my shots to post here for exactly that reason – they were just what was in my iPhoto library – warts and all.
And that’s the point, really. If my regular library is filling up with more very useful shots – even if they aren’t ideal – I have an increasingly better chance of having illustrative content that serves my purposes in ALL my discussions.
Folks here will definitely pixel peep – as we’ve clearly seen. But if I’d used ANY of those shots as illustrations adjacent to a content post about the relevant topics, they’d do their job. And that’s attracting the eyeballs needed to engage the reader – exactly like they engaged everyone here.
And that’s the overall game we’re ALL playing now.
Made you look. Made you read. Made you consider.
The only game left is engagement.
Everything else is going to be noise, moving forward.
My 2 cents, anyway.
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[greg janza] “Does the use of this type of disruptive technology actually help the end product? Will an audience become equally engaged in the storytelling with this imagery as opposed to more established formats?”
It’s an excellent question. And one we can’t answer – unless and until someone is out there USING the new techniques in real-world tests. Which is where Soderbergh appears headed.
I can iterate and improve ONLY after I create and distribute.
That’s the biggest change I’ve seen over the past 20 years.
I used to try to be as perfect as possible. And sometimes, I still do. But just as often, I find myself saying “just put it out – – listen to the critique – and make sure to improve for next time.”
That new normal is working in software. It’s working in life. – basically, It’s working.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “be sure to have REALLY SHALLOW DOF!”. And if that were in fact a requirement (even from ME, not them) then, again, I’d go with the URSA MP and my primes”
I see. You go to your URSA and primes when you want to go to the next level of quality that your phone can’t handle as well.
I just want to be at my best level of quality all the time on jobs. I’ve shot cool stuff with my phone also, but I know I can do better with my primes and I want to offer my best to the client.
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[Scott Witthaus] ” I did not want to lug around a package of gear so I went with my iPhone 7 “
I hear you Scott. It’s easier. You aren’t making the argument that your phone looks “better” than your C100 it’s just that it looks pretty good and you can get away with it and not carry as much stuff.
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