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FCPX Broadcast Monitoring in action
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[Steve Connor] ” Based on some of the other posts on this thread it’s not just the Apple “fanatics” who haven’t moved on”
The I know you are but what am I approach. A barn burning classic! This is getting old. When someone takes an exception to being called a “hater” or broad stroke insinuations of being irrational for distrusting Apple (for no apparent reason to the fanatics), the responses it appears you are referring to, how exactly have they not “moved on”…this is a discussion forum, not a psychology session.
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[Jamie Franklin] “The I know you are but what am I approach. A barn burning classic! This is getting old. When someone takes an exception to being called a “hater” or broad stroke insinuations of being irrational for distrusting Apple (for no apparent reason to the fanatics), the responses it appears you are referring to, how exactly have they not “moved on”…this is a discussion forum, not a psychology session.
“You accused some of the FCPX “fans” of not moving on, I just suggested that those still posting rants on here may not have moved on as well, not really psychology as such.
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Just a quick thought for those that wrestle with the magnetic timeline in FCPX. Just lay down a big gap clip, and edit everything else as a connected storyline. Bam, almost a classic NLE timeline, almost. Just a thought although I know the reservations run deep, and for some good reasons.
Trust Apple? I don’t trust any company. I’ve bought gear/software across the spectrum that is no longer supported. Having worked with Adobe and Avid and Sony, JVC, Panasonic (etc, etc, etc) over the years I never found any of those companies to be particularly useful when an issue comes up (esp. the ‘old’ Avid; talk about favoring their big clients over the little guy). How did I get around the issues? Not by talking to Adobe tech support, that’s for sure. I figured it out by looking to user communities such as this. AT the least we can AGAIN thank Apple for bringing the price point of an NLE down. Heck, I grabbed MC just ‘cuz it was lowered to a grand. Now Smoke for $3500? Thanks Apple, you heartless money-grubbing company. 😉
Sorry to those who didn’t like the term ‘hater’. It was not directed at you, the FCP user who felt burned and abandoned, took a clear headed look at the X, and decided you don’t like the new direction. Fair enough. ‘Haters’ are those that enjoy hating for its own sake, the ones who declare that FCPX ‘sucks’, is ‘stupid’ and isn’t ‘pro’. Not true, it clearly works for lots of us in the biz.
Including the Broadcast Monitoring…
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[Darren Roark] ” I just hope that rather than referring to people in the discussion as haters or fanboys”
This isn’t a balanced argument. No one is calling people who are enjoying this software and finding success with it a “fanboy”…the “fanatics” are those dismissing people and their opinions, calling them haters or irrational for justifiable complaints, generalizations and frankly, talking smack and making “stuff” up…THAT is a “fanatic”…
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[Chris Kenny] “Pulling Final Cut Studio was clearly an error, but it was never literally unavailable, and Apple put it back on sale when people expressed their concerns. I’m not sure how Apple making a mistake and correcting it in response to feedback justifies long-term distrust.”
Wrong! It is unavailable Chris. Apple put it back on the market for a very brief time, and for enterprise customers only, and even those could only purchase it direct from Apple for $1000, even if the customer qualified for $295 update.
FCS3 has since been completely removed from the market by Apple, and, without any official announcement. That has been in force for many months now.
So, it’s not correct to say the company corrected their mistake. In fact, one could easily argue that Apple used subterfuge to make it appear in the press as though they were correcting the mistake. It’s wonder you and many others fell for it.
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[Jules bowman] “Magnetic trackless timeline is stupid. Renaming things is stupid. A project isn’t an event. The world cup is an event. The queen’s jubilee is an event. Your project is not an event. No manual save is insane. “
You’re stating opinions as facts.
[Jules bowman] “This is not an upgrade to fcp7 which is how it was sold.”
Apple was quite open about FCP X’s differences and its lack of backwards compatibility.
[Jules bowman] “But more than anything EOLing the software I had invested 8 years of my life in after making me wait for the awesome upggrade which never came is the rudest a company has ever been to me”
It was obvious to careful observers for years that classic FCP was going scraped and entirely replaced. There were clear technical considerations that made this necessary. So could you be more specific about your objection here? Is it simply that you wish the replacement had been a little more similar to classic FCP?
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[Steve Connor] “You accused some of the FCPX “fans” of not moving on, I just suggested that those still posting rants on here may not have moved on as well, not really psychology as such.”
Accused? They aren’t…I made a statement of fact. Saying there is no reason for the “they” people to distrust Apple, blather on in a VERY dishonest attempt to make the “they” people sound irrational, is by it’s very definition, not moving on from the ludicrous, belittling, smug statements being hurled at people all last summer…and if by not moving on by me, no, I won’t sit here and read these insinuations without taking exception to them…
Edit to add: If people are still ranting about this software..so? it is still in flux…it’s not as if this program just came and went…
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[Jamie Franklin] “They EOL’d software without warning…putting back OLD software because people were rightly upset doesn’t excuse Apples moves here and regain “trust”.”
Wait, so your objection is that they didn’t continue developing the classic FCP codebase?
[Jamie Franklin] “Redesigning how we edit isn’t a new paradigm, it’s redesigning how we edit, and not embracing it doesn’t make us haters, or irrational as you are insinuating…”
I haven’t actually said (or insinuated) any such thing.
[Jamie Franklin] “This argument is exactly the same as a year ago. “
Yeah, which is kind of bizarre given that many of the arguments advanced against FCP X then are no longer relevant. It now has (either internally or as part of its ecosystem) the basic feature set required to be usable for things like broadcast TV and feature film editing. The fact that Apple essentially went right down the list adding these things should alleviate concerns that Apple intended to abandon markets that required them. Yet somehow the anti-FCP X narrative seems to have changed not at all.
[Jamie Franklin] “Honestly, the ones who haven’t really moved on here are the Apple fanatics…only now you are getting worse because there have been “updates”….”
Err… we’re “worse” because we now have a stronger argument?
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I think the biggest reason at this point in the game, for not adapting to X, is because no one is aking for it. I work at an all avid place, with 2 smokes and some FCP 7 setups for the web. Not one person here has any inclination to try it.
I also pick up alot of part time free lance work. Mostly shorts and music videos with the occasional corporate job. Not one person or add ive seen asked for FCPX.. Or adobe premiere for that matter. Its all Avid and FCP7..
so my question is why learn something that youll never use in a workplace? I mean ,sure, if it you like it and you use it at home for personal stuff, but as far as getting a job, its not gonna help to th ave that experience.
With that said, ive dbbled with it, and followthe news, because if it one day does become a viable option, then ill be ready to go but i dont see that happening for years and years.
Not to mention i just love editng on Avid. Being in the cut for hours and realizing you havent touched a mouse other than to load a clip, is simply liberating.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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[Eric Parker Andersen] “Just a quick thought for those that wrestle with the magnetic timeline in FCPX. Just lay down a big gap clip, and edit everything else as a connected storyline. Bam, almost a classic NLE timeline, almost.”
But in every other NLE on the market I don’t have to do that, I can just edit to my hearts content. What’s in it for me. Speed? Not compared to Edius, or PPro. Roles? I prefer tracks. Organization? Many prefer Avid.
I have never had a problem dealing with track collisions, before the X release I didn’t know there was a name for this behavior. I don’t need to be protected from something I don’t have a problem with. I’m not saying it doesn’t work for some, I am saying that as far as editing workflow goes, the prize doesn’t seem worth the price, at least not for me.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf
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