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FCP X Explained…
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[Simon Ubsdell] “If you really are doing ripple moves all the time, then maybe you need to be doing more thinking about what you’re doing and less random moving of stuff around?”
Hmmm. I don’t know what kind of editing you do. But the kind of editing I do involves continually cutting to get the length down as low as possible while retaining the message. This involves a lot of cutting words, cutting pauses, shortening gaps, heck even speeding up interviews when they are off camera. And, yes, more rarely rearranging order. But, all of these things involve ripple edits. Ripple edits are basically my bread and butter.
What I don’t do is a lot of trim tweaking. To this I would rephrase your original posit, “If you’re trimming a lot maybe you need to think more about setting your in point properly when you put the clip in.” ? Of course, I’m half joking here.
But let me ask you. Is it possible the difficulty of easily rearranging clips in other NLE’s actually discourages experimentation to get the best possible edit? While I don’t do it a lot, when I do it really makes an enormous difference.
Sometimes I think there is a disconnect between those editing news/documentary/web videos versus those editing scripted videos. Honestly I think they are in completely different worlds with completely different needs.
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Brett Sherman
One Man Band (If it\’s video related I\’ll do it!)
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[Brett Sherman] “Sometimes I think there is a disconnect between those editing news/documentary/web videos versus those editing scripted videos. Honestly I think they are in completely different worlds with completely different needs.”
Exactly. Maybe not completely different needs, but a lot.
So I came in late on this one as I was editing in X and using ripple all the time. What are we arguing again?
Scott Witthaus
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[Brett Sherman] ” Is it possible the difficulty of easily rearranging clips in other NLE’s actually discourages experimentation to get the best possible edit? While I don’t do it a lot, when I do it really makes an enormous difference.
“Only if you’re not a very good Editor! rearranging clips in other NLE’s, despite the musings of some, ISN’T difficult if you know how to use that NLE properly. FCPX definitely makes it easier to move things around, that’s one of the things I like about it, but the fact it is slightly easier hasn’t made my editing any different
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Yeah. I also couldn’t be more bummed that Apple had the gall to removed those visually powerful reminder-gaps, so I can reminisce over every bygone edit throughout the day… *sigh*… that just made SO much more sense and made for amazing movies.”
Why on earth, do you NOT realise that Editors work in many DIFFERENT ways?
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[Steve Connor] ” rearranging clips in other NLE’s, despite the musings of some, ISN’T difficult if you know how to use that NLE properly.”
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Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Dude. Chill. It was what’s called a joke.
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[Neil Goodman] “Sometimes I have a really hard time believing your a teacher. If you approach your job, the same way yo approach this forum…SMH.. poor kids.”
Ah yes. The good old logical fallacy of tu quoque! The appeal to hypocrisy… always a favorite! Brilliantly executed, too.
Oh, and actually, if I teach them anything, then it’s at minimum the difference between “your” and “you’re”… and english isn’t even their (or my) first language. Weird, I know.
Sooooo, to summarize… you therefore have no answer of any actual substance to offer up either? Just the usual diversionary polemic and sadly ad hominem* attacks for lack of any real arguments? Okay. Then maybe just leave those up to Herb, just to keep things simple? ? Thanks.
Yeah. I’m most definitely the jerk here. No question about it! ?
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[Simon Ubsdell] “a) I’d almost always sooner leave a hole rather than ripple.”
That of course being easily possible in X as well, if one so desires, even if not by default. Basically just inverted steps from FCP 7.
[Simon Ubsdell] “b) I almost always have to un-embed audio in FCP X in order to be able to edit efficiently.”
I’d be very curious to know how the “un-embedding” of audio (I’m assuming that means “detaching”), works out to a higher level of efficiency when editing in X? In fact I’d say you’re, if anything, working far less efficient, since you’re creating potential pitfalls (loss of sync) all across the timeline, which you wouldn’t have otherwise. That’s like saying “The first thing I always do in PPro/FCP 7 is unlink all audio, and leave it that way until the end”, which of course I don’t know why anyone would ever consider doing that. Or am I missing something? Because the fact of the matter is, that after detaching audio in X, it does not trim with the video anymore nor the other way around. So you effectively have to edit every clip with audio twice, no matter what. With attached audio you can do either or on the fly and still never run the risk of losing sync. Like, ever.
So, again: how is that more efficient for you? I’m not saying it isn’t or can’t be, I’m just not seeing it, but am always willing to learn.
[Simon Ubsdell] “c) I almost always need to trim audio and video separately.”
… as just about 100% of the editors I know, and I, do too, yes. This seems to imply that you think you can’t in X by default? Of course there is no need to DETACH a single bit of audio to be able to do so, which I’m assuming you’re inferring in the company of the other two points? Otherwise I don’t know why it’s an additional “requirement” in this context.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Sooooo, to summarize… you therefore have no answer of any actual substance to offer up either? Just the usual diversionary polemic and sadly ad hominem* attacks for lack of any real arguments?”
Now THAT made me laugh!
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[Andrew Kimery] “On the flip side, why would you want two clips/shots side-by-side that shouldn’t be side by side?”
So hit ⇧⌫? Simply insert another shot? Hit ⌥W or even ⌥⌘W? Or CTRL-T? Just plain replace the clip? Use… oh no… the Position tool ? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?? Because this is starting to sound like X only has two functions. Edit and ripple.
This is a completely contrived non-discussion imho. If you need gaps, you can have gaps in a plethora of ways, as with any other NLE. Yes, even Apple knows that gaps and the likes have purpose, which is why the list of options is so long. You want or need to work that way, you can. Done. Move along… absolutely nothing to see here.
[Andrew Kimery] “I think you think it is optimal for everyone, but you always pull up short a hair short of flat out saying so. Any criticism of X you explain away as either user error, user ignorance, irrelevant because the way X does it is better and/or irrelevant because you’ve happily delivered 200+ projects so far and if you can get buy w/o feature XYZ it must not be that meaningful of a feature to begin with.”
Which can be said of a LOT of people here, only in the exact opposite and every other direction. E.g. citing various functionality that plain doesn’t concern the vast majority of users, claiming the fact that X “still” doesn’t have whatever it is makes it “flawed”, worse than others, less usable, unprofessional et al? You know… because solipsism! So I have no idea what you hope to achieve by just singling out Bill as if he were some sort of sole offender or even anywhere at the top of the list. Aside from my finding it to be completely inappropriate and rather hubristic to suggest you know Bill’s “secret thoughts” with some tacky appeal to emotion, just to try and discredit him and his take on matters. Insinuating he’s being disingenuous?? Now that’s ironic.
[Andrew Kimery] “a grizzled, battle hardened vet of the NLE wars.”
Now you’ve certainly singled out the wrong person judging by that description. ?
– RK
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