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FCP X Explained…
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[Simon Ubsdell] “which is possibly why to some the “default ripple” concept doesn’t feel the most natural.
But of course it is not inherently worse or better – why anyone would want to argue that either way is something I can’t get my head around.”Not only is it neither better nor worse, you can have an NLE that doesn’t default either way, where both modes are evenly weighted – see Discreet *edit.
As to the why – this thread began with a demo whose premise was that ripple editing is somehow the essence of non-linear editing. Everything else follows from that patently false claim.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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This thread has been pretty amazing even by the elevated standards set by this forum, but, as far as I can tell, all anyone has been arguing who isn’t an extreme FCP X enthusiast, is that there are several ways to skin the editing cat, and FCP X is an interesting one and it works well in many editing situations, but there are other options which work as well, or even (dare we say it?) better for other editing situations.
After five years, one might have thought that the need for FCP X defensiveness would have abated somewhat, but apparently that is not the case.
Additionally, one might have thought that we could start talking neutrally about the endlessly fascinating craft of editing and the many, many different ways in which this manifests itself, and it wouldn’t always immediately come back round to “my toy is better than your toy”.
Maybe it’s because I’m getting horribly old but I can’t seem to summon the same enthusiasm for toy competition that I could in my younger days.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] ” one might have thought that we could start talking neutrally about the endlessly fascinating craft of editing and the many, many different ways in which this manifests itself,”
I thought the way different editors thought about, and work with, “black holes” was sort of nifty. But like mining for gold, you have to dig thru a lot of !*#%! to get the nuggets.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Robin S. Kurz] “So hit ⇧⌫? Simply insert another shot? Hit ⌥W or even ⌥⌘W? Or CTRL-T? Just plain replace the clip? Use… oh no… the Position tool ? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?? Because this is starting to sound like X only has two functions. Edit and ripple.”
Simon, Tony and I weren’t talking about how to insert black into the timeline. We were talking about using black as tool during the editing process. Tony doesn’t, Simon and I do and I was giving an example of why I use it.
[Robin S. Kurz] “. E.g. citing various functionality that plain doesn’t concern the vast majority of users, claiming the fact that X “still” doesn’t have whatever it is makes it “flawed”, worse than others, less usable, unprofessional et al? “
What do features that concern, or don’t concern, the vast majority of users have to do with the specific needs of a specific user on a specific gig? Individuals creating unique workflows to meet their objective and subjective needs is a valid reason to dig into the details, IMO. The overlap in functionality between Avid, 7, X, Vegas, PPro, Lightworks, Resolve, etc., is immense so it’s the finer things that make one NLE more suitable for A but another NLE more suitable for B. Something that’s minor for one person on one project might be major for another person on another project.
Ex. The file path character limit and image dimension limitations of Avid’s Pan and Zoom tool made me want to claw my eyes out on a project I did a couple of years ago that used a ton of still images. If I had it to do over again I would have used 7 or PPro (or X if the other editor and I knew X). It’s certainly an issue that wouldn’t concern the vast number of NLE users (probably wouldn’t even concern the vast number of Avid users) but it cost me a lot of unnecessary time and effort on this one particular gig. It will definitely impact my choice of NLEs if I come across a gig with a similar workflow in the future.
Another example is the share feature in X. Bill really likes it because he uploads a lot to Vimeo and/or YouTube. It adds a lot of value to Bill’s workflow. I maybe upload things once a week to Vimeo so having to do it ‘manually’ isn’t a big deal to me (PPro has a similar share feature but I haven’t even bothered to set it up). The usefulness of the feature is in the eye of the beholder.
-Andrew
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[Bill Davis] “Sound familiar?”
Not really, because I think the vast majority of regulars here can participate in a productive comparative analysis of various NLEs. People might have their favorites, but they can still speak critically about them. These days homerism is the exception, not the norm in here IMO.
-Andrew
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Sorry Andrew, I have been out of town : )
I have used that method myself from time to time and even put in the X place holders, but I was talking about being mostly done and the client walks in and says, “That person doesn’t work here anymore. Lose ’em”
No need for a place holder at this point. They like everything about the video but that one shot.
I just want to cut them out and ripple it shut the most efficient way.
Is Shift Delete vs just Delete that big a deal. No.
All they did is reverse it from Legacy.
I don’t think the guy in the video was saying he couldn’t get his work done the other way. He just thought this way was more efficient.
I think most people are going to just cut something out, on a typical edit than use placeholders.
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[Tony West] “Sorry Andrew, I have been out of town : )”
And you don’t check the COW on your phone before you go to bed every night? For Shame. ?
[Tony West] “No need for a place holder at this point. They like everything about the video but that one shot.”
And that makes since it’s something getting removed and not replaced.
With regards to keystrokes, I’ve rolled my own for so long that besides some obvious things (like J,K,L) I’m not too sure what’s default for the NLE and what’s default in my head.
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[Andrew Kimery] “[Tony West] “Sorry Andrew, I have been out of town : )”
And you don’t check the COW on your phone before you go to bed every night? For Shame. ?
“hahaha I know, what am I doing : )
[Andrew Kimery] “With regards to keystrokes, I’ve rolled my own”
The funny thing is I have also. I like to roll most things into a single Key stroke. If somebody sat down to my keyboard they would say whaaaaa???
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