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FCP X can’t do “pro” is officially vaporized.
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Hey Neil,
Although project sharing has been possible with FCP X for a long time, I’m pretty sure there will be a few very interesting develompents in this field in the near future. And these will not involve needing exclusive and overly expensive hardware solutions.
– Ronny
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I wondered the same thing Ronny that Herb did. Thanks for the explanation.
What I found interesting was how they embraced everything that is the strength of X
That skimmer was mentioned countless times and the timeline with connected clips. The organization.
It just simply comes down to if you think that timeline is a strength or not.If you think it is a weakness the program will never be for you. No matter if It had Multi-cam or not.
His breakdown of why he felt Apple was committed to top pros was good also. Many that were obvious to me from the beginning.
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Andrew Kimery: Though I’ve yet to hear anyone try to roll out FCP X at a facility that does a lot of highly collaborative work like reality TV shows.
Hey Andrew,
We have implemented FCP X in quite a lot of facilities that do highly collaborative work. I’m going to publish some more stories in the coming two months, most of them dealing with collaborative editing using FCP X. One is about Endemol Shine Africa where they do sitcoms, reality and entertainment using only FCP X in a collaborative environment, another is about two Warner divisions who have switched to FCP X for reality productions. And you may have missed this one: https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1687-final-cut-pro-x-in-enterprise-level-television-production
– Ronny
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[Ronny Courtens] “And these will not involve needing exclusive and overly expensive hardware solutions.”
Apart from an overly expensive Mac 🙂
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[Andrew Kimery] “I might be reading too much into your choice of the word “if”, but in the examples I’ve mentioned there is no “if sharing is needed”. “
I was not talking about your example, no. I can hardly speak for that. In my case that amount of sharing isn’t needed, since mainly individual, single-person projects are produced. But again, even when it is needed, I think the minor amount of additional “effort” (if that what a few clicks actually represent for anyone) to have nearly the same result, only for tens if not hundreds of thousands of $$ less, it’s a small (huge) price to (not) pay. 🙂
We are also using Keyflow Pro btw., which even introduces a whole other level of sharing options and media management that no other NLE that I know of and use or have used can offer.
But aside from all that, I think one needs to first and foremost keep in mind that we’re not even talking about STANDARD features or options in Avid, but we are with FCP X. So really it’s not even a reasonable comparison to begin with. Without all the additional, massively expensive soft and hardware, Avid’s sharing capabilities are no better than anyone else’s. Unless I missed something since I last used it (v6?).
[Andrew Kimery] “And the inverse is also true. I know many people that like the background processing and metadata-centric tools in X but they didn’t want to put up with the rest…”
Yes. But we are/were talking specifically about collaborative editing, which I think is one of those things that will be much more of a deciding factor in more cases than just some metadata or background processing. So if, as I described, you’re not needing to abandon an entire workflow but rather just have to adjust it a little and maybe give up on some smaller “nice to have” options AND are saving massive amounts on a whole welter of costly additions just to get there at the same time, then…
But hey, if one has that kind of cash to burn and the work to make it profitable in the end, great! I just don’t believe the percentage of those businesses will ever even get close to a full one percent of the market. If anything it will get that much less as other NLEs start providing real alternative workflows. In which case I really have to wonder what e.g. Avid is going to be left with, since that is the only niche they have left that is actually making any money. We’ll see.
[Andrew Kimery] “Though I’ve yet to hear anyone try to roll out FCP X at a facility that does a lot of highly collaborative work like reality TV shows. “
Ronny beat me to that one. 🙂
– RK
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Steve Connor: : “Apart from an overly expensive Mac”
LOL! True, Steve, but you can buy a helluva lot of Macs for the price of an enterprise-level shared storage system.
– Ronny
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[Robin S. Kurz] “But aside from all that, I think one needs to first and foremost keep in mind that we’re not even talking about STANDARD features or options in Avid, but we are with FCP X. So really it’s not even a reasonable comparison to begin with. Without all the additional, massively expensive soft and hardware, Avid’s sharing capabilities are no better than anyone else’s. Unless I missed something since I last used it (v6?).”
[Robin S. Kurz] “But aside from all that, I think one needs to first and foremost keep in mind that we’re not even talking about STANDARD features or options in Avid, but we are with FCP X. “
What massively expensive software and hardware are you referring to, or nonstandard features that are required for Avid?
If you’re looking for a shared storage solution for FCPX or Avid, a lot of them include Avid project sharing now. You aren’t required to go with a Unity system. Facilis Terrablock, EditShare, EVO, Indiestor – I think I even saw on the LumaForge site that they have bin locking now for Avid, and I know I’m forgetting a lot of them.
If you’re looking for a shared storage solution for FCPX, you’re probably going to end up with something that also supports Avid style project sharing, so the only difference in cost is the NLE. And in the grand scheme of things the NLE cost is minimal compared to the upfront cost of shared storage, which is a healthy investment regardless of your NLE.
And without the shared storage, I would say Avid’s sharing capabilities, sneakernet style, (like FCPX or Premiere) are still a little easier simply because of how the project is presented at the finder level. It’s not a self contained project like Premiere, or a package like FCPX. It’s a folder, and each bin is a separate file. You don’t have to use Media Browser to move stuff over, or export XMLs and import them or copy from only library to another from within the app. You just email the bin you want to share. If they need new media you’ll have to send that, but that’s the same with every NLE.
[Robin S. Kurz] “We are also using Keyflow Pro btw., which even introduces a whole other level of sharing options and media management that no other NLE that I know of and use or have used can offer.”
Can you expand on that? Sounds interesting. I’ve looked into Keyflow in the past but haven’t checked them out in a while. What type of sharing options and media management capabilities is it providing?
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[Steve Connor] “Apart from an overly expensive Mac :)”
So I take it you missed this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
You know of course which of the two is in fact more expensive, right? Oh, and STILL doesn’t deliver the needed performance. Hmmm… how does that work out to an “overly expensive Mac“? 😀
– RK
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[Michael Hancock] “What type of sharing options and media management capabilities is it providing?”
This is by far the most comprehensive (and best presented) demo that I know of, even if (obviously) he doesn’t cover everything (and it’s an older version):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWsIQQIwOc
– RK
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It was a joke Robin, hence the smiley face
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