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  • Robin S. kurz

    March 8, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    On a completely OT note: you need some sort of separator between your posts and your signature. I’m always stumbling over the signature thinking “What does that have to do with… oooooh, riiiight…” 😉

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    ON-T: had already seen it and yes you’re right that their criteria for choosing X is very telling I’d say. Good for them! 🙂

    – RK

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  • Steve Connor

    March 8, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    [Bill Davis] “I figured I’ve earned the honors.

    Sadly the honours went to Mathieu who posted the link earlier 🙁

    [Bill Davis] “Case closed.”

    I think everyone on here closed this case a while ago, most of the ongoing arguments are now personal preference or semantics. I’m not sure anyone on here has claimed that it isn’t “Pro” enough for a while.

    In the wider world of Editors though there is a lot of work to be done and this excellent article will go a long way to help.

  • Andrew Kimery

    March 8, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    Article already posted in the ‘teaser’ thread you started the other day. 😉 https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/87610

    Haven’t had a chance to read it yet but no matter what’s written or who uses it, X, like anything else, will always have its detractors. And ‘pro’, being more of an opinion than fact, isn’t something that can be proven or disproven so there will always be a contingent that sees it, and those that use it, as less than worthy. Back around IBC I think someone in an editor group on FB posted about Walter Murch using PPro on his current project and a surprising number of people came out and were very disparaging towards Mr. Murch because of his choice. Never thought I’d see the day when other editors would dog pile like that on someone like Walter Murch, but there are a lot of outspoken keyboard warriors out there I guess.

  • Bill Davis

    March 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    You are of course, correct, Steve.

    I don’t actually care who posts first – and while I framed my first comment in the thread as that “tongue in cheek” – I’m just delighted the info is getting out there. I just flew back from SoCal and the FCPExchange event and the mood in the room – including existing X editors working in the LA TV shops and non-X editors who were just kicking the tires – there has undeniably been a HUGE about face on how they look at X.

    It’s one thing for dumb solo editors like me to LOVE the system. It’s quite another when engineering teams from massive national broadcast operations put it through rigorous real world tests and confirm what us little guys have been saying all along. Operated with expertise, editorial operations using FCP X can be wicked fast.

    I just felt it needed it’s own thread to be discussed properly, not to be buried in the comments section of another post. That’s all.

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  • Bill Davis

    March 8, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    [Andrew Kimery] “Haven’t had a chance to read it yet but no matter what’s written or who uses it, X, like anything else, will always have its detractors.”

    Absolutely, Andrew. But those detractors need to understand the reality of what they are arguing for and against.

    Ronny and the Swiss National TV Team were scrupulous in their tests to base their decisions on provable metrics. X running on LumaForge simple outperformed the competition. That’s not opinion, thats fact.

    They did not just do theoretical testing, but as the videos show – they installed the new system and use it in high stress real-world editing tasks. And that’s where it shone brightest.

    There is nothing wrong with not “liking” how X works. That’s totally fine. But holding the opinion that it can’t function as well (or actually, much better) than AVID or Premiere Pro or anything else in a large facility environment has been simply disproven.

    Who knows, perhaps another NLE manufacturer has capabilities that equal this up THEIR sleeves for NAB. But if so, we’ll have to wait to hear about it.

    Right now, X/Sharestation appears to have successfully trounced the existing “big facilities” players at their own game.

    A fact worth noting since that was the exact arena where early nay-sayers hung their biggest criticism.

    That’s all.

    Be interested to hear your thoughts after you’ve read/watched the whole piece. It’s pretty unconditional.

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  • Steve Connor

    March 8, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Right now, X/Sharestation appears to have successfully trounced the existing “big facilities” players at their own game.

    A fact worth noting since that was the exact arena where early nay-sayers hung their biggest criticism.”

    I look forward to comments from Avid Unity users on this

  • Bill Davis

    March 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    Must be some weird formatting thing. Sorry.

    I’ll be changing my sig at or near NAB anyway, so the confusion won’t last long!

    And so it goes.

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  • Mathieu Ghekiere

    March 8, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    [Steve Connor] “Sadly the honours went to Mathieu who posted the link earlier 🙁

    Well, that’s nice, but I just saw the story appear on Fcp.co, and I thought it was a bit pointless to have a thread that was teasing for another article (with all due respect, Bill) instead of just posting the article when it was ready. So at least, if the article was in the thread, people could discuss it, which was probably the whole point.

    As Bill knew the article was coming, he did have early honors or whatever. I just did my daily visit to fcp.co and wanted to get the discussion going 😉
    With this thread also, I think it’s a bit confusing to have 2 threads talking about the same article.

    It’s a great article, and detailed. I think for a lot of post-houses it can be an eye-opener to see a big network switching to it, and being happy about the performance they are getting, even on older hardware, which surprised me.
    But it’s clear that Sam Mestman is doing great things. Even his tutorials from late 2012 about how to work with RED Raw Media in FCPX, and Audio Components, in FCPX 10.0.6 were great and of a really high level. Cheers to him and Ronny and their teams for doing excellent work and sharing it with the community!
    Although I’m just an editor and I don’t know anything about the whole networking stuff, I can attest that there is a big difference between the theoretical speeds a NAS server can give you, and giving you reliable performance with FCPX. For that alone, the article was a very interesting read, and I sent it trough to a couple of people managing the facility where I work (where I made them switch to FCPX completely since 10.0.6, because I had tested it since 10.0.3 and fount it to be ‘ready’ for us at 10.0.6, and seeing that I could get much better results, faster).

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  • Greg Jones

    March 8, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    I think ‘Pro’ software is any software that can be used to make money, period. So whether one uses FCPX, IMovie, Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas, Windows Movie Maker, etc. It can be considered ‘Pro’. Just my 2 cents.

    Greg Jones

  • Neil Goodman

    March 9, 2016 at 6:13 am

    [Steve Connor] “[Bill Davis] “Right now, X/Sharestation appears to have successfully trounced the existing “big facilities” players at their own game.

    A fact worth noting since that was the exact arena where early nay-sayers hung their biggest criticism.”

    I look forward to comments from Avid Unity users on this

    Very cool and detailed article – Glad people are finding the tools that work well for them

    But other than the speed and reliability that their new shared storage setup brings to the table – Its still not the same functionality that an Isis/Unity brings to the table.

    Hopefully Apple can figure out a way to do it.

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