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  • Editing from a sequence

    Posted by Jane Anderson on March 29, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Hi,

    I’m new to FCP from Avid. My ususal procedure is to cut a “select roll” of my good shots into a sequence.

    In Avid, I can use this sequence in my source monitor, and create a new edit by selecting shots from my select roll and inserting them into a new sequence “Edit 1”. In Avid, my new “edit 1” will show all the clip information, and I can trim as I want.

    In FCP, my new edit 1 – the shot now says “Select roll”, and if I trim, it will trim according to the select roll material, not the original shot.

    Work around is to copy the clip (s) from my “select roll” and paste into the new sequence. Or make a copy of the select roll and cut down. I don’t like to do this as it gets really messy, or cut and paste takes too many steps.

    Any way around this?

    Two other examples.

    If I sync live sound recording in the Avid, I’ll build Sync rolls exactly matching the telecine one-light rushes. If I was to cut from these rolls – again I’d lose the original namings.

    Example 2 – In Avid I can option drag a clip(s) from my record (canvas) side, into my source monitor, and shift it in the edit…say for moving an entire scene in a reel. Again in FCP – I lose the original namings and connection to original material.

    I hope someone can help… it’s 3 questions but really one problem.

    Thanks, Jane

    Mark Morache replied 15 years, 3 months ago 14 Members · 20 Replies
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  • Tom Wolsky

    March 29, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Your procedure is a very poor workflow in FCP and will lead to serious complications for the application as the project progresses. You cannot edit in FCP as you do on an Avid. You need to learn how o use this application if you’re going to work with it.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Jane Anderson

    March 29, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Thanks Tom for your reply.

    I do have the tutorial book, FCP for Avid editors – I am trying!

    Can I conclude that I cannot edit down from any sequence?

    It is a common procedure for anyone who has edited on film, then non-linear, then Avid…what is your suggestion please?

    Jane.

  • Tom Wolsky

    March 29, 2008 at 11:58 am

    You can, but it’s not a good procedure with FCP. For every edit, the application has to load the entire sequence it came from. It will bog don’t the application quite quickly, and you will become frustrated more than you already are. If you like to work from sequences for selects, then you’re better off using cut and paste. Or match frame to the browser original and edit that into the sequence you want to go to.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Walter Biscardi

    March 29, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    My suggestion would be to just put all your selects into a bin, then edit from there.

    You pull all your selects in the Viewer, put them into one bin so you know where all your best takes are, then simply edit from that bin.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that FCP can have as many timelines open at the same time as you wish. So using your workflow, you would pull all your selects into a sequence. Then create a New Sequence.

    Now pull your original sequence out by grabbing the tab of that Sequence name and moving it somewhere else on your desktop. Now you can simply drag and drop shots from your selects timeline to your New timeline. Depending on how big your project is, this could work well, or it could really slow down your editing. But this does work and I’ve employed this method when editing multi-screen shows.

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  • Jane Anderson

    March 30, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Thanks to you both –

    I will try Tom’s suggestion about pulling out the sequence timeline, and see how that goes…

    Cheers, Jane

  • Alan E. bell

    March 31, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Hey Jane,

    As someone who has cut five feature films using FCP I can tell you this is one of the biggest drawbacks to using FCP over Avid. Fortunately after cutting with FCP I am sure you will agree that there are so many other wonderful aspects to this program that it out weighs the fact that you need to change your workflow to use the tool.

    I have learned to Cut and paste and frankly it works just fine. I also will park at the point of the selected clip and use a match frame. Then make the out mark and cut it in.

    Wait until you go back to Avid after this project. If you are like me you will miss so many FCP features.

    Regards
    Alan Bell

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  • Rich Joyce

    April 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    What is the workaround for FCP from Avid for Alt+c or v from the timeline to the source/veiwer.

    Say I am working on a show and I need to make block 4 block 2, in Avid I would alt+v block 4 to bring it to my source/viewer and insert it in wherever I need. In FCP I am having trouble bringing the material to my viewer. I can copy it but when I paste it overwrites everything.

    Does anyone know the workflow change.

  • Tom Wolsky

    April 18, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Shift-V for paste insert is think what you want.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Alan E. bell

    April 20, 2008 at 7:11 am

    Jane,

    As someone who has cut 4 feature films on FCP I can tell you that cut and paste is your friend. If you are having trouble getting the pastes to land on the right track I suggest that you use the Auto selectors.

    Remember you can have as many sequences open as you need in FCP as opossed to the avid.

    They are different beasts and trying to work the same way in both app will lead to major headaches. Once you pass what I call the two week frustration period during you transition I think you will find Final Cut Pro to have many features you will certainly miss when you go back to avid.

    Regards
    Alan Edward Bell

    Alan Bell
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    LA Combustion Users Group Co-Host

  • James Horak

    May 7, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I’m not always the sharpest tool in the shed, so if I’m not understanding your question I apologize in advance.

    There are two commands in FCP that may be of help, “Overwrite Sequence Content” and “Insert Sequence Content”. On my keyboard these are mapped to Option-overwrite and Option-insert. Editing from a sequence in the Viewer using these commands edits the original clips into the timeline.

    Hope this was what you were asking for.

    James

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