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dynamic trimming.
mostly I’m just sitting in my FCP7 potty, occasionally changing my nappy, but I’ve started to play half properly with PPro 6 – I’m beginning to think that dynamic trimming is pretty important. using it across a section of cuts feels different to how I worked – mostly shifting and mouse trimming block objects – in 7.
I always poo poo-d avid, because I felt I could get away with it, given FCP classic was winning my space and I knew it, but I’m beginning to think that the kind of feel/analysis available in dynamic trim is not exactly what I’m used to – it feels closer to the cuts? In my messing around, it doesn’t replace my previous methodology, but it is a very interesting space to enter.
to X guys – I seem to remember Jeremy saying he finds quite similar stuff – I can’t replicate the experience in X myself – to older Avid hands: how important do you find this stuff? I’m beginning to think live JKL trimming is a thing.
that said: client allowing, I’m cutting the next bit in PPro. It really does feel past time. It’s flat out very good editing software.
And the London winds are beginning to blow quite hard in its direction.https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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after using Avid’s trim tool for years, its really frustrating to have trim any other way and once you get used to “rock & roll” style trimming, you notice jsut how organic your cuts become.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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ok quite. I’m inclined to think that it is a pretty substantive layer to editing process. It feels very nice.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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It’s hard to explain.
Rock and roll is cool. Adobe’s done a nice job.
With FCPX, the timeline itself is dynamic, therefore trimming is always somewhat dynamic (unless you don’t want it to be). I use the mouse significantly less in X than I did in 7. It is much more fluid and dynamic than 7.
Unfortunately, we don’t get a two up unless you use the mouse, but when trimming an in or out point, the viewer is updated in real time.
Top and tails in FCPX is a dream.
The precision editor along with clip skimming allows you to see the media above and below your current cut if you’d like, and then extend or retract the edit to a specific point.
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I think “dynamic” is a specific term describing real time trimming with “jkl”. Top and tail has been in Avid since long ago. I think its somewhat of a mistake to compare trimming in X to 7 since A. 7 isn’t a player going forward and b. The trimming in 7 was (is) awful. The proper comparison imo would be to Avid and PP. Less clicking from 7 to X perhaps but far more than Avid. I’ve yet to use PP so I can’t comment on it.
Top tail is only a “dream” in X if you’re working on a flat primary storyline. Because there are no tracks, one must always go back to the mouse, select the layer and then top tail edit. This is my main bone to pick with X is that I can’t select various layers from the keyboard to trim. Its all done from the mouse, so I’ve mapped all the hotkeys to the left hand side so that my right hand is always on the mouse. Funny enough I learned that from “Avid Agility.”
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[Neil Goodman] “after using Avid’s trim tool for years, its really frustrating to have trim any other way and once you get used to “rock & roll” style trimming, you notice jsut how organic your cuts become.”
Are you saying that dynamic trimming makes your finished edits better?
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
baiting, defensive, passive aggressive comment from X proponent – or to put it another way – par for the course.
you should try it out Steve, you’re messing around in PPro too – set up a dummy timeline and muckabout – its very interesting and good.
Dynamic trimming is a thing.https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[David Powell] “This is my main bone to pick with X is that I can’t select various layers from the keyboard to trim”
It’s my long standing gripe too.
My alternative is to hover over the clip and press c. It’s easier and somehow faster than clicking for some reason. C, colon, left bracket “c : [” in quick succession selects a clip, goes to the edit point, and selects the right edge of the clip. Then comma/period. Another gripe I have is that if a clip is selected, why can’t I select the edge with a bracket key? What can’t hitting that bracket key select the appropriate edge and move the playhead for me?
[David Powell] “I think “dynamic” is a specific term describing real time trimming with “jkl”.”
To me, dynamic means playing clips and trimming in real time and then having the timeline adjust in real time. X certainly has this function. Select a cut point, hit shift-/, make sure looping is on, and trim. There’s no two up, though.
Top and tail is a separate function, yes, but it works really well in X combined with the dynamic (aka magnetic) timeline and can be done while playing.
Then there’s the precision editor which adds a different level of real time trimming feedback. I’m not saying is a better level, just different.
As compared to 7, X is much more fluid.
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Most definitely.
It’s the difference between playing a piano and typing.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “baiting, defensive, passive aggressive comment from X proponent – or to put it another way – par for the course.
you should try it out Steve, you’re messing around in PPro too – set up a dummy timeline and muckabout – its very interesting and good.
Dynamic trimming is a thing.”Steady your dogs Gallagher I think It’s a very good thing, it makes the edit process faster and easier, I would be very happy for FCPX to have it, however the idea that it somehow makes your edits better is bull plop
Steve Connor
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[Steve Connor] “Are you saying that dynamic trimming makes your finished edits better?”
i think they would come out the same either way, at the end of the day my eyes and ears are the final judge. It just makes editing more interactive for me, it feels alot more natural.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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