Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing?

[Michael Sacci]

That is such an open ended questions, all cameras can do a professional job but some are better is one area than another.

I don’t think HDV is going anywhere, it has its issues but you can do good work with that format and it is still a tape based format, which still has its pluses.

But without knowing your budget, your focus all you will get is other peoples preferences.

[Shane Ross]

Sadly, it isn’t fading away. Seems to be going strong.

For the record, Panasonic never did HDV. They did DVCPRO HD. Sony and Canon’s HDV formats are the same, JVCs is VERY different, thus the reason why they have the most issues.

Shane

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[Walter Biscardi]

Sony does the best HDV, though I’ve never been a fan of that format for editing. Acquisition is fine, but not for editing.

JVC is the worst.

Panasonic has never done HDV, only DVCPro HD.

The format’s not going anywhere as far as I can see. As you’re discussing these cameras I’m assuming you have a fairly low budget for cameras. If you want HDV, get a Sony, they have the best image I’ve seen in these cameras.

If you want to spend a little more, get the Panasonic DVCPro HD cameras.

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[Arnie Schlissel]

[walter biscardi] “If you want to spend a little more, get the Panasonic DVCPro HD cameras.”

Or look at the Sony EX1 or EX3. The downside is that they’re still long-GOP, but they’re also tapeless, full raster 1080, and better quality, higher bandwidth than HDV.

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[Shane Ross]

Beg pardon…I believe that AVCHD is Panasonics answer to HDV. DVCPRO HD has been around for a LONG time…and in no way can be compared to HDV. AVCHD however, can. ANd this is an emerging codec.

Joy…MORE codecs.

Shane

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[Chris Borjis]

Can any of you explain why you believe the JVC implementation of HDV is “the worst” of all? (I’m talking HD1xx, HD2xx not that premature camera they first did)

I’ve worked with all flavors and I can tell you its not any worse than Sony or Canon.

In fact its a full raster 1280×720 progressive scan image from a full raster 1280×720 imager. It never has any interlacing artifacts of any kind.

Truth be told its really not that bad and the 30P flavor plays back perfectly on the Sony HDV decks.

whats to hate about that?

[Shane Ross]

Not worse in image quality…worse in cooperating with NLEs. Updates to OS and FCP versions tend to break compatibility with that format.

But that might fall in Apple’s lap…

Shane

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[Andrew Kimery]

[Shane Ross] ”
For the record, Panasonic never did HDV. They did DVCPRO HD. Sony and Canon’s HDV formats are the same, JVCs is VERY different, thus the reason why they have the most issues.
“

Also, we can’t forget to mention that while Sony and Canon both went the HDV 1080i60 route Canon has it’s own proprietary tech to shoot at 24 frames per second (“24f” mode as opposed to the “24p”) which is incompatible w/Sony’s HDV gear, AFAIK.

-A

[Bob Zelin]

Hi Vinnie –
well, just to drive everyone crazy (because that is what I do) – HDV is a very popular format, but there is no question that both Sony and Panasonic (and all the 4K guys like RED) want flash card style media to take off – because they get to charge you a lot of $$$ for the cards, that get outdated every 3 months. So there is a lot of HDV out there, but there is a BIG buzz for P2, XDCam EX, and of course RED flash cards.

Let me make this simple – you see how Sony Beta lasted for 10 – 15 years? THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. There is NO format – tape or data format that will last like this any longer. No matter what you buy, it’s going to be outdated soon. See all those wonderful MAC G5’s out there on everyone’s FCP system. Just wait until Snow Leopard OS-X 10.6 comes out- then all these perfectly working MAC G5’s are useless (“what the hell do you mean – I can still cut FCP DVCProHD on my G5 just fine with my AJA hardware”).

The moral is that you have to jump in and buy something, and start making money to pay off your purchase, because before you know it, the next piece of junk is going to come out, and people will say “oh, you have those 128 gig P2 cards (to be released 1st Qr. 2009) – those are SO obsolete- the 512 Gig cards are coming out this summer. (The 32 gig P2 card is the largest card currently available). EVERYTHING is obsolete. Buy a RED camera – should have bought the EPIC from RED at 5K, because the REAL pros will want 5K.

It’s a game, and no matter what you buy, it’s not cool enough, big enough, fast enough, etc. You just have to jump in and start playing. Everyone on this list has done this, and you must do this too (or go to work for McDonalds).

Bob zelin

[Chris Borjis]

Indeed Bob, as the industry became more computerized and “I.T.” workflow based it also inherited the computer industries rapid obsolescence.