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C300 = Fail
Posted by Perry Trest on December 20, 2012 at 3:14 pmGraded my first C300 job.
Working with the MXF media.
Noisy shadows. Banding.
Very disappointing. Not impressed.Have any of you guys or gals worked with footage from this camera?
Am I missing something?Perry Trest
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Sascha Haber
December 20, 2012 at 3:22 pmWell , a camera ? 😉
A slice of color…
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Perry Trest
December 20, 2012 at 3:29 pmDSLR on steroids? Ugh!
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James Sullivan
December 20, 2012 at 3:49 pmHowdy. I too have done my first c300 job with the native MXF files. Did you have trouble with realtime? My system would bog down before edit points and then pick back up again. I am running two GTX 580’s on a Mac Pro 3.1 tower. So slowest mac but enough GPU action?
I was able to pull some sky’s back that would have been gone had they baked it to prores or any other codec.
Thanks for sharing,
James
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Kevin Cannon
December 20, 2012 at 3:53 pmHi Perry,
I’ve just been grading a couple long-form C300 commercials this week, and discussing the camera related to another project with a DP/gaffer.
On the material I’ve been grading (ProRes422HQ transcodes of the MXFs), I definitely find noise comes up quickly when lifting shots – in this case, dark saturated reds (like in a flannel shirt) were the worst culprit. The material is almost all very high key day interiors, which started bright and look great and noiseless. The issue shows up in the few night exteriors that had to be brought up a bit. I didn’t notice any banding, but I can’t think of any shots that would have really tested that. The NR in Resolve seemed to handle it pretty well.
My impression is that the camera needs a lot of light at a low ISO, and no resizing to look its best.
KC
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Perry Trest
December 20, 2012 at 3:55 pmI had three and four nodes playing back with no problem.
The shadow areas were very problematic.
Pushing lift down for richer blacks resulted in an incredible amount of noise.
Vignettes resulted in horrible banding.Perry Trest
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Perry Trest
December 20, 2012 at 4:03 pmThanks for the input Kevin.
Two :30 commercials here, both daylight interior and exterior.
The interior shots were well lit.
Pushing gamma and gain in either direction worked as expected.
Lift was where the uglies showed up.Perry Trest
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Juan Salvo
December 20, 2012 at 9:58 pmMark me down for as a major “Not a fan” of the C300.. the 8bit image is really limiting. The cam is noise and the footage is uninspiring. It’s a step up from DSLRs for sure. But not much more than that. Particularly frustrating as there are real cameras in the same price range.
Reminds me of the awfulness of the af100. 🙁
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Sascha Haber
December 20, 2012 at 10:15 pmI’m in the Same boat…
I Really hope Arri finds a way to slum down the Alexa.
This Canon stuff is just video …A slice of color…
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Robbie Carman
December 20, 2012 at 10:21 pm[Juan Salvo] “Reminds me of the awfulness of the af100. :(“
100%. Its just not a great image to push and pull like the AF100. Shot very well it holds up but when you need to get in there and really stretch things is not so good. Its funny I had a dark shirt situation on a C300 show that kinda looked like noise so I was noise reducing it with Neat Video – no change – it was then that I realized it was noise but rather ugly 8bit banding in the shadows….yuck
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Robert Houllahan
December 20, 2012 at 10:28 pmI just don’t get that Canon made a 8-bit camera at this price level, truly dumb.
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