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BBC adopts FCP X for news editing
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FCP X has been used successfully on Focus and on other major movies as well as on many independent feature films. You can find reports all over the internet. The feature film world is much, much larger than Hollywood (-:
– Ronny
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[Andrew Kimery] ” It might play into which tool I can afford”…
Andrew,
Affordability is definitely part of the question of best tool.
[Andrew Kimery] “Who says you have to use CC from now until the day you die? Why the assumption of a long term, monogamous relationship with your software (any software)?”
Different people have different needs. For some, questions of long term viability and access are important. That’s why ownership vs. rental might be important – it’s part of the question of how the tool is used, and the implications it has for future use.
[Andrew Kimery] ” No, but blanket statements about never using product X or Y unnecessarily limiting, IMO. Each situation is different and things change over time so I think keeping an open mind is the best policy.”
I think most people have an open mind to the scenario of Adobe changing their model. Things change over time and blanket statements are unnecessarily limiting.
Anyway it was Steve who mentioned someone “denying themselves” … I’m not sure who he was talking about or how open minded they are.
Franz.
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Sorry I disagree. it’s what the accountants would like to be a “modern” concept.
If you don’t give customers what they want you will always fail unless you have a monopoly.
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Drink! 🙂
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You didn’t recoup the price. You still paid the money. Money you could have had in your pocket instead. But if perchance you always updated to the very latest copy of the master collection every year, then it’s about a break even. Without the option to discontinue paying. Even if you’re not having a good year and figure you can get by with last years version- nope. People that didn’t upgrade every single update to the full master collection have basically been faced with an enormous price increase from $400 every couple years for a production bundle (that would work fine forever on a supported system) to $600 every year forever to keep access to their files.
I also know quite a few friends and relatives that have either just PS or an old CS bundle that was serving them just fine. This kind of pricing completely prices them out of the market.
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In the long run this is really bad news for Adobe and Avid because as FCPX proves itself viable in a wide variety of settings it kills the others at $299 per seat!
There will come a point where Editors won’t have a choice because companies have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to save money and cut costs wherever possible. An Editor won’t be able to specify a more expensive editing system just because they “like” it more. Any facility with a lot of seats would save a lot of money by using FCPX over the competition – the new “low cost” Avid annual maintenance plan is the total cost of FCPX!
I’m not saying all other systems will disappear because FCPX is cheaper, just that over time post departments will have to prove why they need more expensive systems especially as tape delivery wanes…
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Affordability is definitely part of the question of best tool.”
Why? What does the cost of the tool have to do with how effective the tool performs? Affordability is defiantly part of the question when it comes to what is the best tool I can afford, but the size of my wallet doesn’t how well a specific tool does its job.
[Franz Bieberkopf] “Different people have different needs. For some, questions of long term viability and access are important. That’s why ownership vs. rental might be important – it’s part of the question of how the tool is used, and the implications it has for future use.”
I totally, 100% agree which is why I mentioned both long term use and short term use in my previous post. Most of the knocks against subscribing to CC I read are from people not wanting to get tied up with CC from now until the day they day but that’s not the one and only scenario available. There is the short term scenario I mentioned. There’s also the scenario Bill Davis is in where he’s subscribing to Lightroom for now because it’s the best tool for what he needs but as soon as he can find an adequate non-Adobe solution he is going to hop on it.
Even for people that have built their post facility around Avid or FCP X I can imagine scenarios where they could need to subscribe to CC. For example, taking over a nearly completed project started on PPro where it would just be faster and easier to finish it on PPro than trying to rebuild it in another NLE.
[Franz Bieberkopf] “Anyway it was Steve who mentioned someone “denying themselves” … I’m not sure who he was talking about or how open minded they are.
“David Mathis said, “It just got a few degrees cooler. It will only freeze over if I subscribe and that will never happen!” and that’s what kicked this whole thing off. I totally get people not thinking Tool ABC is the best tool for them. I don’t get saying that they’ll never, ever use Tool ABC. Just seems like you are setting yourself up to either eat your words or to make a bad decision just to try and save face.
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I don’t think so. I think it’s 30 for late pays etc and only 2 when you cancel your CC – found that out yesterday 🙂 Good riddance CC.
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Bill Davis] “I’ve already answered that elsewhere. I have a CC Lightroom bundle subscription. Actually I have TWO of them due to the cock-up of the servers being down when I tried to subscribe originally and the billing system entering me twice. (I have to get that sorted out, thanks for reminding me – paying $20 a month for a $10 service is kinda silly.)”
Ah, yer right Bill. I forgot about the tails of your Lightroom, uh, experience. 😉
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Conversely, if you don’t need grading and audio above what’s already built into the X “suite” then the fair comparison toolset price drops to $399 on the Apple side. And there are legions of editors for whom this is plenty to do a very wide range of professional work from ENG to Corporate and beyond.
And don’t forget Resolve Lite is free. And a nice chunk of the Logic code is already in X via the audio filters.
So that $1600 is, perhaps a bit of a screwy comparison.
The big difference is that if you want to play with Adobe you have two prix fix options. Photo subscription and Full subscription.
If you want to play with Apple, you buy just what you actually need. Once.
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