-
Audio Only cross fade in X
-
[Herb Sevush] "Given that you're training has been in an outlier product (not meant disparagingly, just a fact) I can see how the switch to PPro, Avid or even Legacy FCP would be difficult for you. Sounds like X is a perfect fit."
If you are implying that because in the past I've selected to use an NLE as unconventional as Vegas Pro rather than more cumbersome and traditional tools, that I would find it easier to use the equally unconventional FCP X then yes, that's probably true. I found that FCP X works quite well for those of us who think outside the box. 😉
When I've demoed Vegas Pro to Legacy FCP editors at NAB in the Sony booth, their jaws invariably drop in disbelief that editing could be so streamlined and simple. Then when I show them my productivity plug-ins like VASST Ultimate S Pro and Vegas Pro Production Assistant (which I created for Sony), where I can create a photo montage of hundreds of pictures cut to the beat of the music with just a few clicks, or slide a camera card into the computer and have all of the footage automatically ingested and launch Vegas Pro with a project template that populates the timeline replacing media slugs with footage that was just on the card all ready to finish edit, they start to ask how much Vegas Pro costs. If Vegas Pro wasn't tied to Windows, I'm sure I could have made a few conversions. lol
I wish FCP X had a script API like Vegas Pro that would allow me to port my plug-ins over because that's the biggest thing I miss when using FCP X (no automation). I still use Vegas Pro for photo montages because of this.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com -
[John Rofrano] “I found that FCP X works quite well for those of us who think outside the box. ;-)”
In fairness, I think Herb’s “the first thing I do is break sync on everything” approach demonstrates his ability to acknowledge and reject hidden assumptions.
[John Rofrano] “I wish FCP X had a script API like Vegas Pro that would allow me to port my plug-ins over because that’s the biggest thing I miss when using FCP X (no automation). I still use Vegas Pro for photo montages because of this.”
Yes, I wish every NLE had this! Seeing what the Ae community has done with scripting, and having written a good number of Ae scripts myself, I would love a thoroughly scriptable NLE.
I rather like Windows, so I might have to look into Vegas for some tasks after all…
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive | RenderBreak [blog] | Profile [LinkedIn] -
[Walter Soyka] \”In fairness, I think Herb\’s \”the first thing I do is break sync on everything\” approach demonstrates his ability to acknowledge and reject hidden assumptions.\”
Yea, that was just a little ribbing on my part. 😉 (all in fun)
That brings up a really interesting point though. If Herb breaks sync because we wants to control everything manually, then I understand completely why he would not like FCP X. I actually was drawn to FCP X because it maintains sync of everything, not only with audio and video but with connected clips as well.
So I get it now… the reason I like FCP X us the reason that Herb will never use it. That\’s OK. Everyone has their own workflow that works for them. I respect that.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com -
[John Rofrano] “Everyone has their own workflow that works for them. I respect that.”
Careful, them’s fightin’ words in these parts. LOL
-
[Tim Wilson] “Careful, them’s fightin’ words in these parts. LOL”
Opps… I almost forgot… being agreeable could get me kicked out of the “debate” forum. I’ll try to be more provocative next time. 😉
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com -
[Richard Herd] “But!! there is no OMF out of X and so there is no good way (I can figure) to get an X timeline into Audition.”
I take it you’ve never heard of X2Pro then?
[Richard Herd] “Why anyone is NOT using Audition boggles the mind.”
Hmmm… maybe because they have Logic Pro X (FCPXML import), ProTools or even worst case Soundtrack Pro? All of which can do most if not all the things Audition can (from what I can recall) and then some. I used Audition a while back and found it to be frustratingly convoluted and just an overall visual mess. Yet another classic “dazzle with a 10 page long feature list with complete disregard for usability and stability”-approach from Adobe IMHO.
So, for me, my mind boggles at the thought that someone would actually WANT to use Audition. Horses for courses.
[James Ewart] “The Adobe website has (or had anyway) nice tutorials for those moving across from Apple. Who can imagine Apple ever doing that?”
So I guess you missed books like “Final Cut Pro for Avid Editors” that Apple had made? Even with three revisions. Not to mention the huge aforementioned “Switch to Mac” campaign.
[Herb Sevush] “they will engage with you to buy a Mac computer, but they won’t engage to explain how their software works.”
Aside from the book above and a loooong list of others just like it on an equally long list of Apple apps, never mind that many splash screens of Apple apps link to a plethora of tutorial videos and their site also has endless information. Not to forget that most people get their tips and tricks from places like YouTube anyway, completely regardless of which company or software we’re talking about.
Apple also works very closely with companies such as Ripple btw. So just because they don’t splash their name all over every last thing they’re actively involved with in some way or another, doesn’t mean they’re not “engaging”. There’s a big difference between simply assuming and actually knowing.
But yeah, I too discard entire software packages simply based upon single, small hiccups they may have (I have no idea what is so horrible about the audio-only cross fade solution described, nor how it differs from any other NLE in the end, other than maybe visually), regardless of whether they offer me a boatload of other advantages and features that far overshadow said hiccup(s). Makes sense. Especially since I have so many other 100% flawless NLEs to choose from otherwise, right? 😀
[Steve Connor] “Big downsides are that you can’t use it if you have existing transitions”
Erm… you realize of course, that every transition already has an audio transition in it? So why exactly would you want or need it to begin with?? 😉
[Oliver Peters] ” I will frequently connect music to a gap and then edit all clips as connected clips. I do this because I don’t want a clip’s approximate length to arbitrarily shift later clips out of position – especially is they need to hit on a certain point in the music.”
Which is why, if the music is your *primary* focus, you would clearly put that into the *primary* storyline and simply edit the video as connected clips. Something I do all the time, since that makes the most logical sense in that case. No needless gaps or “anchors” required. That’s kind of the whole concept i.e. point behind the storyline paradigm, no?
[Oliver Peters] “I work this way until I’m happy with the arrangement. Then I overwrite to the primary storyline for further refinement.”
Another superfluous step imho. If you’re (understandably) looking for the magnetic functions for your refinements, simply make everything a *secondary* storyline. But yes, I’ll sometimes do it, too, just for visual harmony. 🙂 Just technically speaking I don’t consider it to be a necessity.
[Richard Herd] “[Howard Duy Vu] “as a toggle”
Exactly! A preference to turn or off.”
I’d say a simple modifier key when dragging would suffice. 😉
– RK
-
[Robin S. Kurz] “Erm… you realize of course, that every transition already has an audio transition in it? So why exactly would you want or need it to begin with?? 😉
“Erm, if you want to add 3 frame transitions to every audio edit, other video transitions are rarely 3 frames
-
[Steve Connor] “if you want to add 3 frame transitions to every audio edit, other video transitions are rarely 3 frames”
Erm… but then I can’t think of when and why I would actually want my video and audio transitions to be a different length. I’d say in extremely rare instances, in which case I can use the handles.
– RK
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich! -
Which is not to say that I don’t think there is no need for such functionality btw. It does need it and I’m sure it will get it eventually with one of the next updates. My overall/underlying point is merely that of all things one could come up with for rejecting an entire app and considering it somehow useless overall as some have, that point sure strikes me as highly contrived. That’s all. You’re of course free to disagree. 😉
– RK
-
[Robin S. Kurz] “but then I can’t think of when and why I would actually want my video and audio transitions to be a different length. “
Depends on your style of editing I suppose, I rarely have audio transitions at the same length. Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy with the way FCP X handles audio, I was just responding to other comments about audio only transitions. Like everything it would be nice to have another option to work with.
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up