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Audio Only cross fade in X
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[Bret Williams] “The timeline grew as you added. You couldn’t just overwrite something 20min down the timeline. The timeline also annoyingly shrank if you removed stuff at the end.”
Gee… Just like FCP X 😉
[Bret Williams] “I think I used to put a frame of audio ( with volume down) in and then move it 30min down. “
I used that trick, too, but only to add a minute or two of black after the end of the spot or show for layoff to tape.
I understand what you were doing and why, but as was said earlier, Media Composer was designed with film editing procedures in mind. Adding 30 min. of black to cut in, is some I’ve never seen any other Avid editor do.
– Oliver
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X doesn’t do that. Neither does any other NLE I’ve ever seen. I can always navigate to any spot on the timeline and add a clip. Avid wouldn’t let you do that. So if I wanted to put a clip at 1 min, then 10 min, then 5 min, it was an annoying mess of steps instead of just dragging a clip from the bin to wherever you wanted in the TL just like Media100, Premiere, or Videocube allowed.
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but for now Adobe is the best place for me.
I so nearly made the switch to Adobe. Downloaded it (pre-subscription model). Started learning it and cut a couple of small projects but kept looking over my shoulder because I had this nagging doubt I might be missing something with FCPX. I was … but it just took me much longer than I had ever imagined it would to understand it and give in to its ways. I don’t blame anyone for finding that too annoying especially if the switch to Adobe is simpler.
The Adobe website has (or had anyway) nice tutorials for those moving across from Apple. Who can imagine Apple ever doing that?
You even find the Adobe guy on the Creative Cow Adobe forums for goodness sake.
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[James Ewart] “… but it just took me much longer than I had ever imagined it would to understand it and give in to its ways. I don’t blame anyone for finding that too annoying especially if the switch to Adobe is simpler.”
I guess my experience with learning FCP X was different because I was not “forced” to move… I was looking for something new when I switched from PC to Mac two years ago. That starts you out with a completely different mindset. Coming from Vegas Pro, I found FCP X to be very similar and intuitive. In fact, a lot of constructs from Vegas Pro (auditions, fade handles, 4-point envelopes from selections, etc.) found their way into FCP X and I’m sure the Apple developers studied Vegas Pro because the similarities are too close for some features that have been in Vegas Pro for 12 years now.
Still FCP X can’t hold a candle to Vegas Pro in the audio department because Vegas was a DAW before it was an NLE. Getting back to the topic of this thread, FCP X has implemented audio crossfades in exactly the same way as in Vegas Pro, i.e., you move the fade handles to create a crossfade so I it seems intuitively obvious to me to do it that way. Maybe that’s why I like FCP X so much.
[James Ewart] “The Adobe website has (or had anyway) nice tutorials for those moving across from Apple. Who can imagine Apple ever doing that?”
I can! 😉 Apple had a section of their web site dedicated to Windows users moving to Mac. It was called Switch 101 (here is the old URL https://apple.com/support/switch101 ) and they had images of Justin Long and John Hodgman with step by step instructions for Windows users to switch to Mac. Here is an example of that page that I captured to use in presentations that I use to give on workload migration:
BTW, I found Adobe’s help to be absolutely useless. I have CS6 and they don’t ship any documentation and when you open the help and go to in a topic, instead of getting documentation, you get taken to a web site with suggestions from people on a forum when all you really wanted was the actual documentation from Adobe to find out how something works. Totally frustrating! I tried to learn Premiere at least 3 times in my career and every time it seemed that everything took several steps longer to do in Premiere than it did in Vegas Pro. I hated it and stopped using CS6 and would never subscribe to CC.~jr
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[John Rofrano] “Apple had a section of their web site dedicated to Windows users moving to Mac.”
That’s because Apple is basically a hardware company that makes software to get you to use their hardware. So yes, they will engage with you to buy a Mac computer, but they won’t engage to explain how their software works. The difference with a software company such as Adobe is that the software IS the end product, it is not a give away to get you to buy something else. Or maybe it’s just corporate culture, in any event you will find Adobe guys contributing throughout the Cow forums, but all you will get from Apple on these forums is silence.
[John Rofrano] “BTW, I found Adobe’s help to be absolutely useless. I have CS6 and they don’t ship any documentation and when you open the help and go to in a topic, instead of getting documentation, you get taken to a web site with suggestions from people on a forum when all you really wanted was the actual documentation from Adobe to find out how something works. Totally frustrating!”
Couldn’t agree more, their written documentation is both very limited and very hard to find. Their actually is a written PDF manual for Ppro, but it’s something of a disorganized mess and they keep it as hidden as the location of Jimmy Hoffa’s burial ground.
On the other hand it is possible to make contact directly with Adobe thru people like Dennis Radkeke and Kevin Monahan who monitor these forums and get direct answers about problems you are facing.
Given that you’re training has been in an outlier product (not meant disparagingly, just a fact) I can see how the switch to PPro, Avid or even Legacy FCP would be difficult for you. Sounds like X is a perfect fit.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Bret Williams] “X doesn’t do that.”
Yes and no. In X, if I go 1 min in from the start on a blank timeline, I can add a clip because X automatically inserts a gap before the clip when I make the edit. This is the same as inserting filler in MC, except that X does it automatically.
[Bret Williams] “Avid wouldn’t let you do that.”
Correct. I’m not arguing that point. Avid does not treat a blank timeline as media, like FCP “legacy” and Premiere have always done. My point was that I’ve never seen any other Avid editor work that way as a starting point.
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[James Ewart] “Lack of sync indicators annoyed me too because the first thing I did to make FCPX work like 7 was detach the audio.
I still find the notion annoying but I found that once I started working the FCPX way I almost never detach the audio because I never need to.
I campaigned hard for “Override Connections” too. But I never use the tilde key function or hardly ever anyway.”
An excellent description of where Herb is and will likely remain.
He has a “way” of editing that has served him really, really well for a long, long time. And he’s absolutely NOT going to see editing in any other way. It makes complete sense. And thats why for him, PPro was a great solution and X will never be.
What James wrote about IS the issue of coming to X from other NLE programs. You HATE what you miss right up until you discover that you’re simply not working the same way any more and the things you HATED that you lost have become vastly less important in the overall scheme of things.
Cutting with a stream of default mixed audio/video streams (X’s default sync clips) rather than cutting with all audio ONLY available as discrete tracks (sometimes locked to video and sometimes NOT) is one of the big differences in X workflows.
Fight it and you’ll never love X.
Embrace it and ALL the pain disappears.
The X story writ large over and over again.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Bill Davis] “Cutting with a stream of default mixed audio/video streams (X’s default sync clips) rather than cutting with all audio ONLY available as discrete tracks (sometimes locked to video and sometimes NOT) is one of the big differences in X workflows.
“well I guess he’s not wrong there.
[Bill Davis] “Fight it and you’ll never love X.
Embrace it and ALL the pain disappears.”I was going to make a Novocain gag but well..
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Bill Davis] “An excellent description of where Herb is and will likely remain.
He has a “way” of editing that has served him really, really well for a long, long time. And he’s absolutely NOT going to see editing in any other way. It makes complete sense. And thats why for him, PPro was a great solution and X will never be.”
Yes, and succinctly put, but with the understanding that my “way” isn’t mine at all; I am but a lowly rambler traveling a well trod road laid out by my betters long before I ever left home.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[James Ewart] “Lack of sync indicators annoyed me too because the first thing I did to make FCPX work like 7 was detach the audio.
I still find the notion annoying but I found that once I started working the FCPX way I almost never detach the audio because I never need to.
I campaigned hard for “Override Connections” too. But I never use the tilde key function or hardly ever anyway.”
[Bill Davis] An excellent description of where Herb is and will likely remain.
I can’t help thinking Herb and a fair few others here have nagging doubts that maybe they are missing something by turning their backs on FCPX. Because … well because they haven’t turned their backs have they? They are still here. Reminding us of how deficient and cumbersome FCPX is “hasn’t got this” “can’t do that”.
May I say here and now I am pleased they are still here by the way. It makes for a much livelier healthier and wittier debate. But I haven’t spent much time on the PP forums of late myself.
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