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  • Oliver Peters

    August 15, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    [Bill Davis] “the incredible rise of every human with a YouTube account deciding it would be cool to crank out their own software operation training modules. “

    Bill, I truly feel your pain. But, ironically, isn’t that the exact empowerment that you’ve been a champion of?

    – Oliver

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  • Bill Davis

    August 15, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Bill, I truly feel your pain. But, ironically, isn’t that the exact empowerment that you’ve been a champion of?

    Yes, and I still champion it.

    The thing is, even if you see (and agree with) the changes coming, it’s still up to each of us to learn how to get in front of the them and presumably capitalize on them, if we want to do more than watch them happen around us.

    I saw the changes coming, but didn’t see enough of the scope or particulars of them to properly anticipate the stunning speed of those market changes. That’s just how it works. ????

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    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

  • Greg Janza

    August 15, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Need to learn something about X? While the first dozen YouTube videos on that precise topic might be dreck, probably one of the next dozen (or thousand) will be OK.”

    This holds true for Premiere as well. I can’t imagine needing to pay for online training on either NLE at this point.

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  • Andrew Kimery

    August 15, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    [greg janza] “This holds true for Premiere as well. I can’t imagine needing to pay for online training on either NLE at this point.”

    I paid for Ripple’s training on Resolve and FCP X when I first picked up those programs. I’m fine paying for a quality, cohesive, professionally made lesson plan that walks me through the entire program. I think it gives me more time on task that sifting though various YT videos (some good, some bad) trying to pick things up piecemeal. And when you are new to a program you don’t know enough to know when someone’s giving you bad advice.

  • Bill Davis

    August 15, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    [Andrew Kimery] “I paid for Ripple’s training on Resolve and FCP X when I first picked up those programs. I’m fine paying for a quality, cohesive, professionally made lesson plan that walks me through the entire program. “

    The most fascinating part of this for me is how different people are regarding the type of learning modality that works best for them.

    There was ONE standard process for a LONG time that defined education. Structured classroom instruction. Then non-linear everything started changing that. The web makes what I’ll call “dipping for knowledge” much easier. But since it’s not structured, its really easy for important concepts to be missed.

    Then again, theres an argument that today’s students, weaned on the internet and video games, think more “non-linearly” than past generations, perhaps. They’re more adaptable. Also, possibly, way more impatient. They don’t want to wait for the pace of the instructor to get to the next topic. If they feel they’ve mastered the specific topic being delivered, they’re constantly ready to hit SKIP AHEAD to get to something more interesting. If they feel they’ve missed something, they’ll simply SKIP BACK and REWATCH.

    Into the morass of traditiional vIsual learners, auditory learners, experiential learners and the like, who knows what is developing in this modern stew. (Maybe “multi-sensory synthesis learners” from monitoring 5 simultaneous feeds with disperate content?)

    It’s crazy out there. And I doubt it will be getting any less so, anytime soon!

    If you resonate well with the traditional “classroom instruction” style – be incredibly grateful! At least THAT has been studied for countless generations and there’s a lot of data out there on how to do it well!

    FWIW.

    It’s

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  • Andrew Kimery

    August 16, 2018 at 12:44 am

    [Bill Davis] “The web makes what I’ll call “dipping for knowledge” much easier. But since it’s not structured, its really easy for important concepts to be missed. “

    Along these lines, I actually preferred the old ‘book w/assets on CD’ method as that allowed me to skim the material quickly and jump ahead if I felt like (probably the same reason I insist on having interview transcripts to work with when I’m editing).

  • Michael Gissing

    August 16, 2018 at 1:01 am

    I’m about to do two annual teaching events. A location & post masterclass for emerging film makers and a half day with media students at a local high school on Resolve. What I find is certainly the impatience and some pre knowledge of how software works. But what is lacking is the ‘why’ aspect. Explaining the creative motivation for on set and post decisions is something that they don’t seem to get from YouTube videos. Also entertaining anecdotes of real life experience both on location and in the studio to explain how problems were avoided or solved and the interplay between different creative departments. The social politic of film making.

    I’m also giving them an idea of what it on set etiquette is like, how things were done in the olden days so they appreciate the power of the hardware and software at their fingertips. I see no point in just telling them what the different bits of software and hardware do.

    I always get good feedback because I plug gaps in their knowledge that YouTube doesn’t supply. There’s nothing like face to face and I absolutely applaud those that do it every day in the classroom because it’s hard work.

  • Greg Janza

    August 16, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    [Andrew Kimery] “(probably the same reason I insist on having interview transcripts to work with when I’m editing).”

    I’m 100% with you. I’ve found out through these editor forums that some people don’t use transcripts when editing interviews and that is surprising. Transcripts make the editorial process so much easier that if I’m not provided transcripts I’ll just make them with the transcriptive plugin before I begin.

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  • Bill Davis

    August 16, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    [greg janza] “I’m 100% with you. I’ve found out through these editor forums that some people don’t use transcripts when editing interviews and that is surprising.”

    Why?

    Some transcripts are useful – But I just as often fine them a significant waste of time.

    How many times have you gone to find a clip that LOOKED ideal on a transcript, only to find that it’s a total mess, as recorded. Weird pauses and intonations that even if you frankenbited, would STILL make for a choppy and ugly soundbite.

    One POINT of X, is that using it’s qualitative tags, you can rely on transcripts much less (by choice) and instead have a system to tag and save the ACTUAL best clips as you audition them. That way you KNOW the context and usefulness of those actualities in a fashion that reading them will never convey.

    Basically, it’s not enough to know the guy said “I love you” on camera — it might be more critical to know if when he said it, he sounded sincere, sarcastic, distracted, or infatuated.

    And X’s keyword tagging system lets you encode THAT in your prep – instead of just searching for a string of words.

    We’re all getting pretty universal transcripts soon enough if Google Speech to Text continues to develop.

    I think it’s time to look beyond the transcript. It’s pretty limited, when you think about it.

    My 2 cents, YMMV.

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    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

  • Greg Janza

    August 16, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Why?”

    Because transcripts save a TON of time in the edit. And when coupled with the plugin transcriptive which creates a transcript from a raw interview in about 5mins, the entire transcript text is matched to the interview/source timecode so you can search a word or phrase and that word or phrase is automatically now the source in point. Transcriptive continues where Avid script sync started.

    [Bill Davis] “How many times have you gone to find a clip that LOOKED ideal on a transcript, only to find that it’s a total mess, as recorded. Weird pauses and intonations that even if you frankenbited, would STILL make for a choppy and ugly soundbite.”

    All the time but I can just tab to every instance of a word in a timecode synced transcript and immediately find the good take.

    [Bill Davis] “One POINT of X, is that using it’s qualitative tags, you can rely on transcripts much less (by choice) and instead have a system to tag and save the ACTUAL best clips as you audition them. That way you KNOW the context and usefulness of those actualities in a fashion that reading them will never convey.”

    I have no need to tag if I can instantly search the entire transcript and with each search have an in-point set and edit it into my timeline.

    [Bill Davis]
    I think it’s time to look beyond the transcript. It’s pretty limited, when you think about it.”

    If I was using a paper transcript that notion would be true but with today’s technology transcripts are even more powerful than in the past and I’d argue that the plugin transcriptive is the single best time-saving add-on I’ve ever used.

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